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Old 01-02-2018, 05:51 PM  
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2018 STL Cardinals Thread

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

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Matheny fired 07/14/2018




Opening Day Roster
Spoiler!

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Old 07-15-2018, 09:56 PM   #2071
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I dont think you would be offered Sheffield or Andujar.

Sheffield is 22 in AAA and dominating with 2 plus pitches.

Andujar is their starting 3B with no one to really replace him.

Florial probably ends up like a poor mans version of Billy Hamilton. Poor bat. Less speed. Less defense.

The ship has sailed on Clint Frazier being a thing. He hasn't shown anything in the majors.

So I could see Frazier + Florial. I just don't see how its valuable to the Cardinals.

Our prospect just crushed Sheffield at the Futures game

Royals fever - catch it
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:24 PM   #2072
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Our prospect just crushed Sheffield at the Futures game

Royals fever - catch it
Sorry bud, my teams crushing MLB pitchers.
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:41 PM   #2073
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Sorry bud, my teams crushing MLB pitchers.


Red Sox fan?
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:54 PM   #2074
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Close, but not quite.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:06 AM   #2075
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Close, but not quite.
He’s a stinking Cubs fan.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:10 AM   #2076
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Rosenthal lights the Cardinals up on the Athletic.

Today’s press conference showed that the Cardinals once were considered a model franchise, is now just another desperate team.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:42 AM   #2077
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Figures
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:43 AM   #2078
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Rosenthal lights the Cardinals up on the Athletic.

Today’s press conference showed that the Cardinals once were considered a model franchise, is now just another desperate team.


He doesn’t believe in mid season firing?
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:40 AM   #2079
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That doesnt even make sense. A prospect doesnt drop off a list because of an injury (Alex Reyes ring a bell?). He's played like shit. End of story.

There is nothing power about the kid. In 3 seasons at A+ he has a ****ing .376 SLG%. Now he may develop power given that he's only 20 years old, but there is absolutely nothing I have read to suggest that it is likely he'll be this 5 tool player everyone is hyping him up to be.

It absolutely makes sense. Guys drop in prospect rankings all the time because of injury, because other players impress and move up the list. Marty Schottenheimer isn’t calling the shots on these lists, so injury can cause a guy to drop.

Alex Reyes even fell - he was a top 3-5 prospect who dropped into the back half of the top 10 and even into the teens in some lists after the injury.

Florial’s “3 season’s at A+” include all of 8 at-bats in2016 at age 18, 75 in 2017 at age 19, and 134 this year at age 20. That’s not a large enough to say anything about his stat line (other than he has good plate discipline and needs to work on his k rate - BB and K rates stabilize in a sample like that).

And judging prospects at extremely young edges and low levels by their statistics is faulty logic. Ask anyone who works on scouting minor league prospects. Sit in on a chat. They’ll all tell you the same.

Especially “toolsy” prospects like Florial - who had power grades of 55, 60 (FV) entering this season. Just about any write-up about him talked about 30 HR/30 SB potential.

He’s absolutely nothing like Billy Hamilton.
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:22 AM   #2080
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It absolutely makes sense. Guys drop in prospect rankings all the time because of injury, because other players impress and move up the list. Marty Schottenheimer isn’t calling the shots on these lists, so injury can cause a guy to drop.

Alex Reyes even fell - he was a top 3-5 prospect who dropped into the back half of the top 10 and even into the teens in some lists after the injury.

Florial’s “3 season’s at A+” include all of 8 at-bats in2016 at age 18, 75 in 2017 at age 19, and 134 this year at age 20. That’s not a large enough to say anything about his stat line (other than he has good plate discipline and needs to work on his k rate - BB and K rates stabilize in a sample like that).

And judging prospects at extremely young edges and low levels by their statistics is faulty logic. Ask anyone who works on scouting minor league prospects. Sit in on a chat. They’ll all tell you the same.

Especially “toolsy” prospects like Florial - who had power grades of 55, 60 (FV) entering this season. Just about any write-up about him talked about 30 HR/30 SB potential.

He’s absolutely nothing like Billy Hamilton.
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I know your not a Cardinals fan but if you could come around and just talk about baseball related stuff, DJ and Hamas join in..... we'd all be smarter about the game of baseball.
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:25 AM   #2081
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He is okay as AA rival fan. He trolls and talks smack but at an acceptable level that it doesn't go being a douche.
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:06 AM   #2082
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Today’s press conference showed that the Cardinals once were considered a model franchise, is now just another desperate team.
Athletic blows
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:25 AM   #2083
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Rosenthal has cred with me. He doesn’t post shit for click bait. His info he posts is usually solid. It was more of an opinion piece on the state of the Cardinals anyway.

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Old 07-16-2018, 07:36 AM   #2084
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It absolutely makes sense. Guys drop in prospect rankings all the time because of injury, because other players impress and move up the list. Marty Schottenheimer isn’t calling the shots on these lists, so injury can cause a guy to drop.

Alex Reyes even fell - he was a top 3-5 prospect who dropped into the back half of the top 10 and even into the teens in some lists after the injury.

Florial’s “3 season’s at A+” include all of 8 at-bats in2016 at age 18, 75 in 2017 at age 19, and 134 this year at age 20. That’s not a large enough to say anything about his stat line (other than he has good plate discipline and needs to work on his k rate - BB and K rates stabilize in a sample like that).

And judging prospects at extremely young edges and low levels by their statistics is faulty logic. Ask anyone who works on scouting minor league prospects. Sit in on a chat. They’ll all tell you the same.

Especially “toolsy” prospects like Florial - who had power grades of 55, 60 (FV) entering this season. Just about any write-up about him talked about 30 HR/30 SB potential.

He’s absolutely nothing like Billy Hamilton.
Pay no heed. He's a big fan of spouting off half-baked ideas with only a micron of support, like the idea that Justus Sheffield is "dominating AAA," when his K rate is below 9 and his walk rate is hovering around 4 in less than 60 innings.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:27 AM   #2085
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Saxon's piece on Hicks/Norris and the quotes he got from Matheny are very likely what ultimately finished Mike Matheny.

The Athletic still has writers that do actual spadework, as opposed to the guys that work for the local newspapers that can't afford to risk alienating the front office and losing their access.
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