***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

New Study

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20060699v1

That can't be right. I was told by several ppl in this thread it was the miracle drug..

[loochy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

That can't be right. I was told by several ppl in this thread it was the miracle drug..

Well I'm glad you find enjoyment in that

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Uh it hasn't been debunked. And Season Flu doesn't just stop killing people because there is a new virus on the block.

They were only putting down covid related deaths if they had tested positive, if they test positive for influenza they won't put covid down as cause of death.

[Ninerfan11]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

New Study

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20060699v1

I was under the impression that Hydroxy was best if administered early, why wait until they are hospitalized? The whole point of the treatment is to prevent hospitalization and overwhelming the system.

The french study clearly indicated early ingestion, I think...I'm no expert though.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

I was under the impression that Hydroxy was best if administered early, why wait until they are hospitalized? The whole point of the treatment is to prevent hospitalization and overwhelming the system.

The french study clearly indicated early ingestion, I think...I'm no expert though.

It would make sense, as part of it's mechanism of action is to act as an ionophore to allow zinc to enter the cell and disrupt the virus' reproduction

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by loochy

Well I'm glad you find enjoyment in that

I don't. I want an effective vaccine to be released as quickly as possible. But at the same time I am going to realistic about it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by loochy

Well I'm glad you find enjoyment in that

Enjoyment? No.

An end to the bullshit based on nothing more than politics?

Yes.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I don't. I want an effective vaccine to be released as quickly as possible. But at the same time I am going to realistic about it.

So maybe a "well, that sucks" would be better than an "I told you so"?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

I was under the impression that Hydroxy was best if administered early, why wait until they are hospitalized? The whole point of the treatment is to prevent hospitalization and overwhelming the system.

The french study clearly indicated early ingestion, I think...I'm no expert though.

Because of the possible heart issues with HCQ and Z-pack some patients need to be monitored with serial ECGs.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Enjoyment? No.

An end to the bullshit based on nothing more than politics?

Yes.

But it wasn't based on politics, it was based on hope.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by loochy

But it wasn't based on politics, it was based on hope.

Maybe in your case but not in most of the others.

And there was nothing documented by any legitimate source that said it was working to reduce viral duplication.

It was just an agenda.

[Donger]

The United States doesn’t have the capacity to test and trace Covid-19 cases — a key measure the country will need to start the process of reopening, according to the nation’s top infectious disease doctor.

“We have to have something in place that is efficient and that we can rely on, and we’re not there yet,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said Tuesday in an interview with The Associated Press.

Fauci’s comments come the day after President Trump promised guidelines “soon” aimed at governors to reopen the economy.

He added that opening the country on May 1, after federal social distancing guidelines are set to expire, is “a bit overly optimistic” for many places in the US. This process, he said, would likely have to occur on a “rolling” basis and not simultaneously across the country. A key worry, he said, was that the US would see new outbreaks in places where officials may not be able to swiftly test and trace contacts of those who are infected.

“I’ll guarantee you, once you start pulling back, there will be infections. It’s how you deal with the infections that’s going to count,” Fauci told The Associated Press, adding that we need ways to get people "out of circulation if they get infected, because once you start getting clusters, then you’re really in trouble."

These concerns reflect those New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told reporters on Monday – that states lack sufficient capacity to test on their own.

"It's not as simple as saying states should test,” Cuomo said. They can't do it without the federal government. There are not enough tests now, and there's not enough reagents, and there's not enough medical equipment.”

Referring to other governors joining over the phone from states including Connecticut and New Jersey, he added, “Any one of these governors would tell you ... they don't have the testing capacity, and they can't gather it themselves.”

Fauci stopped short of telling The Associated Press that a second wave of infection isn’t inevitable but said, “If you mean it goes way down and then come September, October, November, we have another peak – I have to say I would not be surprised. I would hope that if and when that occurs, that we jump all over it in a much, much more effective way than we have in these past few months.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

I was under the impression that Hydroxy was best if administered early, why wait until they are hospitalized? The whole point of the treatment is to prevent hospitalization and overwhelming the system.

The french study clearly indicated early ingestion, I think...I'm no expert though.

My guess is unless a patient has tested positive for cornovirus they can't take the drug early enough.

Also here is a good reddit thread with doctors asking if they are seeing it work and the answer is pretty much no. But that doesn't just apply to hcq it applies to pretty much every therapy. There is no magic pill for COVID19 right now unfortunately.

https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/co..._are_treating/

[TLO]

French Doctor Suggests Smoking May Protect Against COVID-19 Infection

https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/202...mpression=true

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I don't. I want an effective vaccine to be released as quickly as possible. But at the same time I am going to realistic about it.

If this Virus becomes seasonal we will need a vaccine because at the moment they are not sure how long acquired immunity even lasts , flu shot lasts about 6 months(I am not comparing it to the flu just using it as an example) so without a vaccine people could just keep getting infected and reinfection could make symptoms worse or milder but nobody knows .