***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Done, in the DC thread.

Just as I suspected, that's a far cry from me continually calling this the flu and spending weeks claiming that.

It was in fact well over a month ago and all I did was mention how many people die from season flu annually. You know how much this was discussed in the first week of March?

Yea you really got me.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

What states? Newsom banned gatherings over 250 people on March 12 and on March 15 asked people to voluntary closure of bars and in-home self-isolation of seniors 65 and older, as well as persons at-risk due to underlying conditions.

Other than that nothing changed until the official stay at home order on March 19th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...hington_(state)

Scroll down to government response section.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

What states? Newsom banned gatherings over 250 people on March 12 and on March 15 asked people to voluntary closure of bars and in-home self-isolation of seniors 65 and older, as well as persons at-risk due to underlying conditions.

Other than that nothing changed until the official stay at home order on March 19th.

Sure but New York was still encouraging people to go out as late as March 20th. California was way out ahead of this.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This is demonstrably wrong. NY was encouraging people to go our as late as March 20th. I would show you the people who were encouraging this but it would be political. Considering they had many more cases than Cali etc.... Yeah no...

NY subways have been a pool of this from the start. NY should have have shut down in Feb to have any chance.

I won't disagree with you that NY should have shut down sooner. I think as others have said though it is tough to shut down the subway. SF hasn't shut down BART.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I won't disagree with you that NY should have shut down sooner. I think as others have said though it is tough to shut down the subway. SF hasn't shut down BART.

Sure, I agree with you. But population density make a huge difference as we can clearly see now.

Look at the spread on East Coast compared to the rest of the United States. They needed to act much quicker than the rest, and maybe other didn't need to react as fast.

This one SHOE fits all approach isn't going to stop anything, it just delays it but it doesnt make much sense considering it will peak at different times everywhere.

[Bearcat]

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We start with doom and gloom hour.
You are here -- We then get pissed with one another for a little bit. (Usually something political is brought up, but it's policed pretty well by the regulars in here)
Something optimistic is shared. We discuss theraputics and such
BRC says something about ventilators.
Sometimes at this point Austin Chief shows up and it turns into a bloodbath for a while. I stand back and don't dare get involved.
We all kind of lighten up for a while. I guess because it's lunch time.
Afternoon reports come out and we're back to doom and gloom.
Deberg or someone else random posts a random tweet that's kind of funny and takes our minds off doom and gloom.
The President has his daily press briefing and everyone gets kinda pissy again. (More borderline political stuff pops up, but again, it's usually policed pretty well)
Demonpenz pops in and says something I have to read 3 or 4 times to try and figure out what he means.
I assume people start drinking because the mood lightens. We discuss daily numbers and hope for a better outcome tomorrow.
End

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Sure, I agree with you. But population density make a huge difference as we can clearly see now.

Look at the spread on East Coast compared to the rest of the United States. They needed to act much quicker than the rest, and maybe other didn't need to react as fast.

This one SHOE fits all approach isn't going to stop anything, it just delays it but it doesnt make much sense considering it will peak at different times everywhere.

I definitely agree population density plays a huge role in the spread of this thing, it is probably the #1 cause of it IMVHO.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

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I usually like to add some gifs or commentary for some good needling.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Not really

Here are the dates in each state when either stay-at-home orders were implemented or nonessential services were closed, whichever came first. (In NY, these happened on the same day.) pic.twitter.com/VJRDoRe82e

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 13, 2020

That list is very misleading. Several metro areas locked down well before entire states did.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

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You're saying we all should have a drink?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

And deaths:

April 10 = 2,035
April 11 = 1,830
April 12 = 1,528

Not saying it will happen today but if we could see NY deaths get below the 600 level it would really be a good sign...

[BleedingRed]

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Considering how awful are testing numbers are, especially in non big city areas, how much can maps like this really be trusted?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I usually like to add some gifs or commentary for some good needling.

Originally Posted by stumppy

You're saying we all should have a drink?

via GIPHY

[BleedingRed]

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map