***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

I will ****ing end you Donger.

[limested]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well that was rude. Please accept my apology. All this ****ing social distancing is making me a little cranky.

Then stop social distancing. No one is making you do it.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by 2112

I think it depends on where you live. Me personally? I’m ****ed. My state is still rising and the ****ing idiots going out and not getting it are the problem. I don’t want to leave my house anymore.

You remember what it was like after 9/11? People are going to be way more scared to resume normal life. Fear, is going to take hold of us and not let go for years. Just like after 9/11.

People may go back to work, but its not going to be in a couple of weeks. A lot of people are still going to be dying, body bags are still being filled up and put in refrigerated trucks.

There is no way to know how our society has changed once we get out of our homes and enter society again. Sports? Concerts? Festivals? Whos going to a game with 20K-30K people anytime soon. I was so disappointed in our reaction as a society after 9/11, the giving into fear. Maybe we learned this time to not give into the fear?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by 2112

Yeah, I live in NJ and it’s bad here. And people are getting busted by the cops for having gatherings (40 people and they were adults). And just Monday I’m the first one in shopping at 6am to get bananas and milk and this guy tries leaning over me to get a plastic bag while there’s like 15 plastic bag dispensers with nobody around. I wanted to kill that guy. And I hear the same stories from friends. You can’t fix stupid

What % of customers had masks on?

Last week I saw around 80%
Two weeks ago maybe only 30%

I’ve shot out to Eastern PA a few times and saw nobody wearing masks and gloves while pumping gas or going into the minute mart for cigarettes.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by limested

So you say all these businesses are closed and everyone is staying home because they want to?

Oh god, you're one of those guys. Next window please.

[limested]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Oh god, you're one of those guys. Next window please.

Enlighten me on what 'one of those guys' is exactly.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What % of customers had masks on?

Last week I saw around 80%
Two weeks ago maybe only 30%

I’ve shot out to Eastern PA a few times and saw nobody wearing masks and gloves while pumping gas or going into the minute mart for cigarettes.

This past Monday everybody was wearing masks shopping at stop n shop in East brunswick. But they just opened up (it was 6am). But they covered the cc keypads with plastic to make it easier to keep clean.

Where are you?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You remember what it was like after 9/11? People are going to be way more scared to resume normal life. Fear, is going to take hold of us and not let go for years. Just like after 9/11.

People may go back to work, but its not going to be in a couple of weeks. A lot of people are still going to be dying, body bags are still being filled up and put in refrigerated trucks.

There is no way to know how our society has changed once we get out of our homes and enter society again. Sports? Concerts? Festivals? Whos going to a game with 20K-30K people anytime soon. I was so disappointed in our reaction as a society after 9/11, the giving into fear. Maybe we learned this time to not give into the fear?

Most people want to get back to normal life.

[neech]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You remember what it was like after 9/11? People are going to be way more scared to resume normal life. Fear, is going to take hold of us and not let go for years. Just like after 9/11.

People may go back to work, but its not going to be in a couple of weeks. A lot of people are still going to be dying, body bags are still being filled up and put in refrigerated trucks.

There is no way to know how our society has changed once we get out of our homes and enter society again. Sports? Concerts? Festivals? Whos going to a game with 20K-30K people anytime soon. I was so disappointed in our reaction as a society after 9/11, the giving into fear. Maybe we learned this time to not give into the fear?

You're such a positive influence on here.

[2112]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You remember what it was like after 9/11? People are going to be way more scared to resume normal life. Fear, is going to take hold of us and not let go for years. Just like after 9/11.

People may go back to work, but its not going to be in a couple of weeks. A lot of people are still going to be dying, body bags are still being filled up and put in refrigerated trucks.

There is no way to know how our society has changed once we get out of our homes and enter society again. Sports? Concerts? Festivals? Whos going to a game with 20K-30K people anytime soon. I was so disappointed in our reaction as a society after 9/11, the giving into fear. Maybe we learned this time to not give into the fear?

Here’s the thing about 9/11. After that it was very very very difficult to get your license renewed. I actually went there with the state DMV renewal letter to show proof of residence with my passport and old drivers license and it wasn’t good enough in 2005. Now? They are letting illegals get NJ drivers licenses. So I’m not so sure about that.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Also heard the Sg say that "social distancing" will be the new normal after this is all said and done. I have news for him...that ain't gonna happen.

Until a vaccine or therapeutic happens I will definitely social distance and won't attend any large gatherings. Give me a good excuse not to go to inlaw family stuff either

[limested]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Give me a good excuse not to go to inlaw family stuff either

At least there is one positive coming out of all of this! I haven't had to deal with my FIL since this started and it has been so nice.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by 2112

Here’s the thing about 9/11. After that it was very very very difficult to get your license renewed. I actually went there with the state DMV renewal letter to show proof of residence with my passport and old drivers license and it wasn’t good enough in 2005. Now? They are letting illegals get NJ drivers licenses. So I’m not so sure about that.

You must be thinking you're posting in CPDC. Cause that that's where this kind of shit needs to go.

[2112]

Originally Posted by stumppy

You must be thinking you're posting in CPDC. Cause that that's where this kind of shit needs to go.

Ok dad

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You remember what it was like after 9/11? People are going to be way more scared to resume normal life. Fear, is going to take hold of us and not let go for years. Just like after 9/11.

People may go back to work, but its not going to be in a couple of weeks. A lot of people are still going to be dying, body bags are still being filled up and put in refrigerated trucks.

There is no way to know how our society has changed once we get out of our homes and enter society again. Sports? Concerts? Festivals? Whos going to a game with 20K-30K people anytime soon. I was so disappointed in our reaction as a society after 9/11, the giving into fear. Maybe we learned this time to not give into the fear?

The difference is 9/11 had a shock value... the horror of planes crashing into buildings, mass destruction, mass instant death, etc. that this pandemic does not have.

That's why I think the public will get back to normal much sooner than after 9/11.

People are recognizing that COVID-19 is a minor illness for 80%+ of the population.