***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Graystoke]

Originally Posted by Donger

You're a Jedi?

Ok, this made my day.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It’s becoming obvious that being poor is the biggest cause of a bad outcome with the coronavirus. As it spreads to the rural areas, will we see a spike in deaths?

The biggest problem we will likely have in rural communities is the higher rate of elderly IMO.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by kgrund

The biggest problem we will likely have in rural communities is the higher rate of elderly IMO.

yeah, they may be poor, but I’d think they were getting treatment through Medicaid or Medicare.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Apparently those in the KC Metro area, particularly Johnson County, Ks are taking this seriously as the rate of new cases is really, really low and has been for a while now.

That's a good thing

I know this has been discussed over and over, and I get why not overwhelming the hospitals is a good thing, but I personally cannot find a way to get super-excited about what seems to be just delaying the inevitable. We are all just hiding away waiting for the scientists to come up with some form of treatment.

It seems this clamor to flatten the curve has provided some excitement when the curve does flatten, but that's so far from solving the actual problem that the excitement seems misplaced.

[limested]

Originally Posted by sedated

I know this has been discussed over and over, and I get why not overwhelming the hospitals is a good thing, but I personally cannot find a way to get super-excited about what seems to be just delaying the inevitable. We are all just hiding away waiting for the scientists to come up with some form of treatment.

It seems this clamor to flatten the curve has provided some excitement when the curve does flatten, but that's so far from solving the actual problem that the excitement seems misplaced.

Yep, doesn't matter how much it flattens if we all go back to pre-covid and infections erupt again.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

That is good news. Bad news is they had 19 deaths in the last 24 hours but as they say deaths are the last lagging indicator.

Well and the thing is the DHSS website is behind other sites like covidly and worldomoters when it comes to death count. I didn't discover that until yesterday during the press briefing. I have no idea why a place like covidly or worldomoters would have more up to date information than the DHSS, but they seemingly do.

For example right now the DHSS website says 77 deaths
Covidly says 65
Worldomoters says 85
John Hopkins says 93

So Idk.

[FloridaMan88]

Best moments for me in 2020 thus far...

1) Watching the Chiefs win the Super Bowl.

2) Walking into a local Target today and finding this...

Spoiler!

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It’s becoming obvious that being poor is the biggest cause of a bad outcome with the coronavirus. As it spreads to the rural areas, will we see a spike in deaths?

I haven't been keeping up since yesterday's activity here turned into a shit show. Was there an article or study posted that connects poverty and COVID-19 deaths?

[BigRedChief]

Pink has covid-19

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

Well and the thing is the DHSS website is behind other sites like covidly and worldomoters when it comes to death count. I didn't discover that until yesterday during the press briefing. I have no idea why a place like covidly or worldomoters would have more up to date information than the DHSS, but they seemingly do.

For example right now the DHSS website says 77 deaths
Covidly says 65
Worldomoters says 85
John Hopkins says 93

So Idk.

Yeah that doesn't make any sense. Seems odd...


Then again DHSS only updates their site once a day so maybe that is it.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

I haven't been keeping up since yesterday's activity here turned into a shit show. Was there an article or study posted that connects poverty and COVID-19 deaths?

its common sense. The poor have worse health care. Don’t take care of them self’s as well as others with better resources. They usually make worse choices in life. Eat less healthy food and so on and so on. Almost 70% of the dead in NYC are minorities.

https://amp.theguardian.com/global-d...global-poverty


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-ca...604c677ec.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/w...-poor.amp.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2...105651819.html

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2899411001

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthie...rn?context=amp

[eDave]

blew right through 15K.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

I haven't been keeping up since yesterday's activity here turned into a shit show. Was there an article or study posted that connects poverty and COVID-19 deaths?

I don't think its anything other than the obvious. Poor people can't just stay home, and they likely don't have the best health insurance if any at all...not only to battle COVID if they get it, but to have been proactively treating the underlying conditions that make it fatal.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

its common sense. The poor have worse health care. Don’t take care of them self’s as well as others with better resources. They usually make worse choices in life. Eat less healthy food and so on and so on. Almost 70% of the dead in NYC are minorities.

https://amp.theguardian.com/global-d...global-poverty


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-ca...604c677ec.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/w...-poor.amp.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2...105651819.html

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2899411001

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthie...rn?context=amp

Gotcha, I thought maybe you were referencing another post.

And my apologies, I'm far from a grammar Nazi, but I just cannot help myself here.

Them self's?

[RunKC]