***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by loochy

Thanks Dr. Suzzer, PhD in epidemiology

At some point it's just simple math.

[BleedingRed]

When the panic has the potential to outweigh the damage of the virus that started it SMH

[Discuss Thrower]

Seattle Mariners will have their first two home series rescheduled.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

It could be much worse if more like 70% get infected (which a lot of people are predicting as the upper end) and our death rate soars because our hospitals are overloaded.

4% death rate like Italy is seeing at 70% exposed = 10 million people. Society would probably completely break down.

H1N1 infected 18% of our population...

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths.

If the R0 of this bug is really double, we could see more than that, obviously.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

At some point it's just simple math.

Yep anyone can grab numbers and throw them out there to make things look as dire as they please.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by TLO

Why do you always go for the worst case scenario?

I don't. I've been quoting the lowest estimate scenario of unchecked community spread and death rate every time.

I just wanted to throw the worst case out there to make the point.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by FD

To me the way we have not done testing should be a major scandal.

The message from the Trump administration, after a Seattle teen was found to have coronavirus: "Stop testing." https://t.co/iuEdOTQ25u pic.twitter.com/6oMDiHE6NT

— Charles Я. Davis (@charliearchy) March 11, 2020

they just keep Lying to us. Say there are millions of test kits available but when states and medical offices ask where are they, they get silence and promises. And they waited 3 weeks before even beginning production of our own kits. Shit, they didn’t even take it serious until this week.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

This. It’s truly a media driven frenzy with a political motive.


No one panicking like this for anything else since 2008. It’s all because Trump.

Trump voters have a perpetual victim syndrome where nearly everything in this world occurs because the leftist media hates Trump.

It's amazing really.

[Donger]

Mods, can we clean up political crap, please

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Donger

H1N1 infected 18% of our population...

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths.

If the R0 of this bug is really double, we could see more than that, obviously.

I wish you would give cancer this kind of attention.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Yep anyone can grab numbers and throw them out there to make things look as dire as they please.

That doesn't make the numbers any less true. We're aren't testing at all. We've run less than 10k tests total.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

When the panic has the potential to outweigh the damage of the virus that started it SMH

Again with the word panic.

I don't see panic. I see people and organizations attempting to be proactive.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

That doesn't make the numbers any less true. We're aren't testing at all. We've run less than 10k tests total.

Have you been tested?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Trump voters have a perpetual victim syndrome where nearly everything in this world occurs because the leftist media hates Trump.

It's amazingly really.

I think everything has been pretty well documented you just choose to not see it.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I think everything has been pretty well documented you just choose to not see it.