***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

While it is early and not something I would have said I think everyone expects a second wave in the fall This isn’t going to magically disappear especially if we open international travel back up

It doesn't have to disappear, thats now how any of these virus situations have ever subsided. H1N1 isn't gone.

The population develops immunity, treatment becomes identified, and a vaccine is develop for those not immune.

Its never taken 6 months for these things to happen in modern medicine.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Levelling off hopefully and nice big drop next week would be nice.

There is just a sad reality to all of this. Yes, hopefully next week drops. But we are going to face that crux at some point that the people who are going to die from this are going to die and the rest of us are going to go on OR this is going to wipe out an ass load of us. Most likely the former but it's not a pleasant thought even though it is the reality.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

While it is early and not something I would have said I think everyone expects a second wave in the fall This isn’t going to magically disappear especially if we open international travel back up

This virus is not going to magically disappear. Well, okay, maybe but very unlikely. This is here to stay until we either adapt and become immune to it or we find effective treatments and hopefully vaccines. Even then it won't be gone.

Not getting political but I'd love to shove a nuke up China's ass right now. Not that it would fix anything but it would make me feel a lot better for a few minutes.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by O.city

Santa Clara said they won’t be having big crowds til after thanksgiving

So the 9ers either won’t have home games or ....

If I was a tax-paying citizen or a business owner in Santa Clara, I’d demand to know the models/statistical projections they are basing this outlandish statement on.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In NY? Close question.

...

There's now a cry to 'find a middle ground' but it sure would've been nice if we'd have actually tried before we burned 6 weeks. And no, not every building was on fire. You shut down 8-10 major choke-points and I wouldn't have said boo. I still ultimately think that CA jumped early but as a point of comparison (near and long term) they'd be a useful datapoint.

If preventative measures work you immediately get howls that you didn't need to take any measure.

Is it just perhaps possible like maybe, even if we won't ever know for sure but...

Maybe CA hospitals, unlike NY, didn't get overwhelmed because CA jumped early and NY didn't ?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

It doesn't have to disappear, thats now how any of these virus situations have ever subsided. H1N1 isn't gone.

The population develops immunity, treatment becomes identified, and a vaccine is develop for those not immune.

Its never taken 6 months for these things to happen in modern medicine.

This thing is here to stay. Our best hope is to develop methods to treat it and deal with it.

Thanks to a bunch of weird ****ers that want to eat bats and peacock lizards or whatever the **** they are.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

If preventative measures work you immediately get howls that you didn't need to take any measure.

Is it just perhaps possible like maybe, even if we won't ever know for sure but...

Maybe CA hospitals, unlike NY, didn't get overwhelmed because CA jumped early and NY didn't ?

And CA is nothing like NY save maybe parts of northern CA? I mean who the **** takes a subway in LA? They are spread out like we are here in KC for the most part.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

This virus is not going to magically disappear. Well, okay, maybe but very unlikely. This is here to stay until we either adapt and become immune to it or we find effective treatments and hopefully vaccines. Even then it won't be gone.

Not getting political but I'd love to shove a nuke up China's ass right now. Not that it would fix anything but it would make me feel a lot better for a few minutes.

The people didn’t do anything in China. The government on the other hand...

[Indian Chief]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

If preventative measures work you immediately get howls that you didn't need to take any measure.

Is it just perhaps possible like maybe, even if we won't ever know for sure but...

Maybe CA hospitals, unlike NY, didn't get overwhelmed because CA jumped early and NY didn't ?

There are dozens of variables, but I think one of the biggest differences is the layout of the largest city. NYC uses subways and has people in high rises. LA is more of a vehicle commute and homes.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

The people didn’t do anything in China. The government on the other hand...

The people are the ones eating this shit that started this in the first ****ing place.

Now, I agree the government hid and lied about it but it was the people and their weird "delicacies" that started this shit with their wet markets.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Indian Chief

There are dozens of variables, but I think one of the biggest differences is the layout of the largest city. NYC uses subways and has people in high rises. LA is more of a vehicle commute and homes.

Exactly. You can't live in NY without touching something literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people are touching every day. Subway rails and turn styles Bus seats. Cabs. Front doors to apartment buildings.

[JakeLV]

Originally Posted by Monticore

With outpatient visits at a minimum they must be fighting for work .

We had some internal memos discussing 60-75% of normal case load for rads during this time a few weeks ago. Not sure what the estimates are now, but first and second year residents are gonna have it rough for a bit.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

This virus is not going to magically disappear. Well, okay, maybe but very unlikely. This is here to stay until we either adapt and become immune to it or we find effective treatments and hopefully vaccines. Even then it won't be gone.

Not getting political but I'd love to shove a nuke up China's ass right now. Not that it would fix anything but it would make me feel a lot better for a few minutes.

I agree with this.

The CoronaVirus is not going anywhere. It's going to keep trying to spread and find new hosts. That's what a virus does. I know it isn't 'living' but its genetic code tells it to keep trying to spread. Right now we are essentially hiding from it. Once we ease social distancing we are still going to have to be very careful so it doesn't find new hosts and spread again. We can't just expect to go back to how we used to live right away. It's going to take time.

Dr Fauci hinted at this today, that USA isn't going to be like how it is today once the peak is over and the deaths/new cases start to go down and continue to go down. But until a vaccine comes out USA is definitely going to be very different then what it was pre-CoronaVirus.

How different I have no idea. Hopefully it isn't that bad cause this shit sucks...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The people are the ones eating this shit that started this in the first ****ing place.

Now, I agree the government hid and lied about it but it was the people and their weird "delicacies" that started this shit with their wet markets.

I grew up in northern Arkansas/southern Missouri. People eat possums.

I’m skeptical this came from someone eating a bat but that’s neither here nor there

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

It doesn't have to disappear, thats now how any of these virus situations have ever subsided. H1N1 isn't gone.

The population develops immunity, treatment becomes identified, and a vaccine is develop for those not immune.

Its never taken 6 months for these things to happen in modern medicine.

Originally Posted by petegz28

This virus is not going to magically disappear. Well, okay, maybe but very unlikely. This is here to stay until we either adapt and become immune to it or we find effective treatments and hopefully vaccines. Even then it won't be gone.

Not getting political but I'd love to shove a nuke up China's ass right now. Not that it would fix anything but it would make me feel a lot better for a few minutes.

Sure but we most likely aren't getting a vaccine until 2021 if we get one at all. I think we will though.

I just can't see 80,000 fans at Arrowhead this fall because of the chance that there is one or more asymptomatic people that has it which will infect thousands. Once that happens KC will have to go back into lockdown.

This is still a deadly highly communicable virus.