***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

I just have to wonder why we are having all these clinical trials if we know it doesn't work???

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said Monday that early responses to the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine “anecdotally” suggest its use in the coronavirus fight has been “effective,” but that official data was still forthcoming.

“There has been anecdotal evidence that it is promising; that’s why we’re going ahead,” he added, noting that some patients have a pre-existing condition or medication regimen that prevents them from taking it.

Ok,

So we agree that it is evidence, and it is positive. But we just need to 100% confirm in the drug improving things. That's a fair position to take Donger.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Which means there are plenty of "doctors" breaking their oath everyday by promoting something that hasn't been rightfully tested or approved to treat COVID-19.

****in' Doctors!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Monticore

There are just so many factors to take into account that we can't predict if it will be a cure or not at this point .We all want it to be one of course but the same people saying the lockdown down was jumping the gun are doing the same with this.

No we cannot.

But we can damn sure take a study that removes 1 and probably 2 legs from the stool and throw it out when trying to determine how the stool would hold up with all 3 legs.

And I'm perplexed as to how one can conclude that the lockdown wasn't jumping the gun at this point. That story is further away from being finished than the HCL/Z-pack story by a damn sight.

Time may ultimately demonstrate that much of what I think on this is wrong. But at the very least I take great care to provide applicable information and context as to why it might be.

Tossing out that Chinese study as some final word on the subject without pointing out the myriad of ways its inapplicable to the research presently being done does nothing to further conversation.

[LiveSteam]

Have the death estimates dropped to 60,000 or was that just job site BS talk?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

This 90 degree weather in April will do that to ya

The 40 degree weather in April next week will be even worse.

I'll take unseasonably hot in the spring and unseasonably cool in the fall, but man, don't prolong the agony of the previous extremes any longer than necessary.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No we cannot.

But we can damn sure take a study that removes 1 and probably 2 legs from the stool and throw it out when trying to determine how the stool would hold up with all 3 legs.

And I'm perplexed as to how one can conclude that the lockdown wasn't jumping the gun at this point. That story is further away from being finished than the HCL/Z-pack story by a damn sight.

Time may ultimately demonstrate that much of what I think on this is wrong. But at the very least I take great care to provide applicable information and context as to why it might be.

Tossing out that Chinese study as some final word on the subject without pointing out the myriad of ways its inapplicable to the research presently being done does nothing to further conversation.

This guys got big brains and purty words... I'm going to hire him as my post lawyer.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I just have to wonder why we are having all these clinical trials if we know it doesn't work???

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This is incorrect....

Maybe you are not aware but the results from the trial have been positive in NY, but the trial isn't complete.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I just have to wonder why we are having all these clinical trials if we know it doesn't work???

They don't know either way yet, why? with who? it might make some worse some better, some may get better without it some won't , when should it me administered to have the best effect or cause the least damage etc….

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Like I said you can wait for the trial to finish. I can be ahead of the curb. When you catch up to me no hard feelings.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I don't understand what you DC types get out of this kind of discussion. I find the thread to be pretty much unreadable when you guys get on a roll like this.

This has been mostly unreadable for awhile. What else should we expect from a JakeF thread though?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ok,

So we agree that it is evidence, and it is positive. But we just need to 100% confirm in the drug improving things. That's a fair position to take Donger.

“The tests in the hospital, they’re too short a period of time to get a scientific report,” Cuomo said. “Hospital administrators, doctors want to have a significant data set before they give a formal opinion. Anecdotally, you’ll get suggestions that it has been effective. But we don’t have any official data yet from a hospital or a quote-unquote study, which will take weeks if not months.”

Again, it's just anecdotal. Anecdotally positive, yes, and that's why they are trialing it.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The 40 degree weather in April next week will be even worse.

I'll take unseasonably hot in the spring and unseasonably cool in the fall, but man, don't prolong the agony of the previous extremes any longer than necessary.

That dramatic of a temp drop is going to make people think they are coming down with the rona. My head isnt looking forward to it for sure.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

They don't know either way yet, why? with who? it might make some worse some better, some may get better without it some won't , when should it me administered to have the best effect or cause the least damage etc….

Sure,

But that doesn't change the fact that they wouldn't be trialing the drug without a abundance of evidence no matter how anecdotal it was/is.