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06-19-2018, 11:51 AM | #1816 | |
Down with Nino Brown
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06-19-2018, 12:12 PM | #1817 |
Rabbi Goldmann
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That's honestly not that great a team
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06-19-2018, 12:32 PM | #1818 |
"You like to drink?"
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06-19-2018, 12:46 PM | #1819 |
Black Bob's daddy
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So does anyone know if there was been any sort of change in recent years in either the scouting department or in the minor league development system? Since it's no secret the struggles we've had with finding and developing talent, I'd like to hope maybe some changes have been made.
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06-19-2018, 12:55 PM | #1820 | |
Keep Camp Home!
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2B Johnny Giovatella SS Orlando Calixte 3B Cheslor Cuthbert OF Jarrod Dyson OF Will Myers OF Paulo Orlando DH Billy Butler SP Sean Maneaa SP Mike Montgomery SP Zack Greinke SP Mike Minor SP Brandon Finnegan RP Greg Holland RP Kelvin Herrera RP Joakim Soria RP Jeremy Jeffress RP Scott Alexander Yeah, still pretty shitty |
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06-19-2018, 12:57 PM | #1821 | |
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06-19-2018, 01:36 PM | #1822 | |
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
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I don’t like this return. Each of the three guys they got has enough ceiling to make it pay off huge... but they also all have some significant risk. I can see why they did it - and always try to ask myself what the team is seeing/doing when it makes a deal - but I actually don’t agree with it in this case. Like I said, I don’t think they got a surefire everyday player, and that should have happen d for the top reliever on the market, especially this early. |
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06-19-2018, 01:37 PM | #1823 |
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I thought Soria was a rule 5 guy.
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06-19-2018, 01:44 PM | #1824 | |
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
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They’ve shifted their draft focus in recent years and have gone away specifically from spending early picks on the projectable HS arms like Foster Griffin and Scott Blewett and Nolan Watson in the past two years. It’s basically the same team doing the drafts, but different focus. The organization has loosened its pitching development guidelines over the past few years as well and is less focused on forcing guys to be Fb-Change-Curve Arsenal’s. They’re letting guys with great sliders throw the sliders and not taking them away. Part of that was sending Bill Fischer out to pasture. They did a bad job adjusting to the draft after the slot system went into place. I wouldn’t say they’ve struggled to find talent. They just haven’t been as good as a small market needs to be to keep the pipeline pumping. I think there are still some development bugs, but development bugs start as scouting/drafting bugs, IMO. I’m of the camp that believes you need a combination of tools and skills/savvy to develop as a hitter, and he Royals have traditionally been very tools heavy in acquiring players. Bubba Starling is the most talented physical player the royals have probably ever drafted and one of the 10-15 best raw athletic products in the draft in the past decade. Just a great example of tools vs skills. Two cases of bad luck also significantly shift the perception. If Ventura lives and Kyle Zimmer isnt doing his best Sam Jackson impersonation (Mr. Glass), it’s very different. |
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06-19-2018, 01:58 PM | #1825 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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Why make the deal this early unless you really love your return? Hard to argue that this is that kind of 'pull the trigger early because you can't get that much late' return for Moore. Especially for a reliever when there are ALWAYS a few teams looking to add relief pitching at the deadline. Maybe his concern was that more teams would be looking to sell at that point; maybe Britton has recovered his form, maybe Oakland gives up and looks to move Treinan with more control, maybe Cincy peddles Iglesias. There are other teams that could put relievers on the block and potentially dillute the pool. Perhaps Moore was trying to beat that rush. |
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06-19-2018, 02:05 PM | #1826 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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'Hit' isn't a tool - as you've noted, it's a skill. Now some could argue that guys with quick wrists and excellent eyesight are going to naturally be able to hit the ball squarely more often, but there are a lot of guys who fit that bill who never develop a good enough path to the ball to have a playable 'hit tool'...because hit isn't a tool, it's a skill. For an everyday player, the hit tool is the most important and it's not a particularly close question, IMO. Raw power means shit if the hit tool isn't there and it can't translate. Ultimately that's what doomed Starling - his hit tool was abysmal; still is. So his offensive profile was a mansion built on sand. All that raw power and game speed simply didn't matter when he couldn't put barrel to ball. For me, hit tool for hitters and command for pitchers are the key. And I don't mean control - I mean command within the zone. Guys that can command their fastball to all 4 quadrants are so far ahead of everyone else, provided they have basic threshold velocity (91-92 or so for a starting pitcher, IMO). If a pitcher doesn't demonstrate command in the zone, they're probably not gonna get very far unless they're Jordan Hicks and throwing 105. |
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06-19-2018, 03:36 PM | #1827 |
Banned
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How many left handed minor league pitchers did the royals give up during their WS run? Was it two, three, or four? I wanna say three. I'm asking and not looking because I'm sure that someone here knows it
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06-19-2018, 03:38 PM | #1828 |
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06-19-2018, 03:52 PM | #1829 |
Stay positive, don't give up
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@BlairKerkhoff: Florida & Royals draft pick Jackson Kowar Ks side for 2nd time vs. Texas. Has 11 Ks, 103 pitches. Gators lead 5-0 T7
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06-19-2018, 04:01 PM | #1830 |
Stay positive, don't give up
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@Shauncore: Hmm... the plot thickens a bit. If the Nationals package was the best offer even after getting into a bidding war (we assume), then either:
Folks overvalued Herrera Royals really like the guys they got Relievers are being undervalued perhaps https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/s...35046865903617 |
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