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Old 06-03-2024, 07:21 AM  
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Old 06-04-2024, 01:06 PM   #166
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Of course for an elite qb but where do you draw that line? How long do you settle for Alex smith? Are you willing to soak up that much cap for tua? Are the niners really willing to give up on guys like aiyuk because of purdy? We already know the answer on Daniel jones and Derek Carr?

The Seahawks considered churning and burning with Russell Wilson after a Super Bowl and in hindsight, maybe they should have.

Well, it’s obviously a judgement call. Some of the calls are easy. Like Daniel Jones and Derek Carr. And also Alex Smith. None of those was ever going to be elite and that was clear from the beginning and continue to be clear as their careers developed.

Purdy and Tua. Aren’t quite that easy.

For Tua they may have waited too late and now have no other choice, but to commit to him and pay him. Even though I doubt he will ever get them to a Super Bowl. If they had not forfeited their draft choice last year, it would’ve been smart of them to have drafted Levis. I don’t know who they could’ve drafted this year instead of chopRobinson. QBs like Penix and Nix that you would’ve expected to have been available there went much earlier.

For Purdy it’s a harder decision. And they have another year to decide. San Francisco easily could’ve won the Super Bowl last year. The bigger issue is they should not have even gone there as both Detroit and Green Bay should have beat them in the playoffs. Purdy has already shown that He is a winner, albeit with a very high-level cast. But Tua’ cast is also almost as high-level with the main difference being tight end, and maybe the terror that Hill brings to the field even compensates for that. When your QB was good enough to win you a Super Bowl and probably would’ve gotten you into the previous one if he hadn’t been injured I think you decide to stick with him. But maybe next year they probably should use a second round pick on a QB if anybody with high potential is available, like Levis was last year.

Philadelphia is a good example of a team that had someone at QB who was generally seen as capable of winning a Super Bowl in Carson Wentz. But they went ahead and spent a second round draft pick on Hurts, and that was obviously a good decision.

So, drawing the line is a judgement call.
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Old 06-04-2024, 01:39 PM   #167
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Brett favre was traded and started right away..while he sat that first year on another team..he was thrusted out there. Rodgers and Love,.yes.

But then you have the problem. They might play on a rookie contract one or two years. Your windows are tight on winning under the rookie contract window and surrounding them with talent.

I think the sitting and.veteran presence is.huge. but there are not many vets that want to be in that. Guess we will see how penix does for a year or 2. You need someone willing to tutor and lead by example.

Most rookies wouldn't listen to a Derek carr type QB.

Iirc, Brett did play a few games in ATL. 4-5, maybe. And didn't play well.

But then he went to GB, and in spite of his first couple games not being very good, he did have Holmgren.


Anyway, my point was simply that GB has bucked the league-wide philosophy of drafting QBs and then ruining them by putting them on the field too early, and it's worked for them. In spades.


The Penix thing is just weird. Especially when you consider the fact that a large part of the reason that Cousins wanted out of MIN was that their GM was planning to draft a QB, and Cousins didn't like that.

Then he goes t ATL, and they do exactly what he didn't want to deal with in MIN?

But Penix will get a first-class education on how to be a NFL QB sitting behind Cousins for however long he remains there. Currently, I would give Penix a better chance of being successful over the long run than Caleb.
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Old 06-04-2024, 01:44 PM   #168
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Iirc, Brett did play a few games in ATL. 4-5, maybe. And didn't play well.

But then he went to GB, and in spite of his first couple games not being very good, he did have Holmgren.


Anyway, my point was simply that GB has bucked the league-wide philosophy of drafting QBs and then ruining them by putting them on the field too early, and it's worked for them. In spades.


The Penix thing is just weird. Especially when you consider the fact that a large part of the reason that Cousins wanted out of MIN was that their GM was planning to draft a QB, and Cousins didn't like that.

Then he goes t ATL, and they do exactly what he didn't want to deal with in MIN?

But Penix will get a first-class education on how to be a NFL QB sitting behind Cousins for however long he remains there. Currently, I would give Penix a better chance of being successful over the long run than Caleb.
Cousins has essentially a 2 year deal.

My issue is more they took an older QB who couldn't stay heathly in college.
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Old 06-04-2024, 01:44 PM   #169
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Because you don't get many darts to throw before you get fired.
And so will putting all your eggs in the basket of a top 10 qb pick with no plan b. Yes, a safe qb who can put butts in seat but not win games can give job security but it doesn’t make it a better option. Just a safer one. More teams should have the balls to take chances at qb (not how Atlanta did it…)
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Old 06-04-2024, 01:46 PM   #170
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And so will putting all your eggs in the basket of a top 10 qb pick with no plan b. Yes, a safe qb who can put butts in seat but not win games can give job security but it doesn’t make it a better option. Just a safer one. More teams should have the balls to take chances at qb (not how Atlanta did it…)
Don't take chances at qb by taking one in the spot most of the successful ones come from?

Keep "throwing darts" at mid round qbs, because a few of them have become good players in the history of the league though
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Old 06-04-2024, 01:46 PM   #171
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And so will putting all your eggs in the basket of a top 10 qb pick with no plan b. Yes, a safe qb who can put butts in seat but not win games can give job security but it doesn’t make it a better option. Just a safer one. More teams should have the balls to take chances at qb (not how Atlanta did it…)
It's hard for a dude making 8 million dollars a year to be like "yea if I **** this up I'll lose my high paying job"
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Old 06-04-2024, 01:47 PM   #172
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If you take a QB in the top 10, but "need a plan B" don't take the guy in the top 10.
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Old 06-04-2024, 07:52 PM   #173
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Old 06-04-2024, 08:08 PM   #174
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Old 06-04-2024, 08:12 PM   #175
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Old 06-04-2024, 09:07 PM   #176
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Old 06-04-2024, 09:58 PM   #177
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If you take a QB in the top 10, but "need a plan B" don't take the guy in the top 10.
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Don't take chances at qb by taking one in the spot most of the successful ones come from?

Keep "throwing darts" at mid round qbs, because a few of them have become good players in the history of the league though
I didn’t say draft only fourth round QBs. I’m saying if you have a jj mccarthy (probably) or a Kyler Murray or a Derek Carr and the list goes on and on… yeah why wouldn’t you throw lots and lots of darts. If you have a Bryce young or a Mitch trubisky theres nothing wrong with not loving what you see in year 1 and taking a decent size swing the next year.

The Vikings made a smart decision to move on from cousins. It also makes great sense to draft McCarthy knowing you have Jjeff and Addison. And it would be just as foolish to bank your entire next 3-5 years on him just because of where he was drafted. I get that gms are trying to save their jobs but it doesn’t make sense to me why any team would ever quit their qb search unless they felt confident they have a qb who gives at least some chance at a Super Bowl
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