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#166 |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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He's not lying. Von is actually very good against the run.
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#167 | |
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
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2010 (Before Aldon): 3.5 YPC allowed 2011 (Aldon plays 50.8% of snaps): 3.5 YPC allowed 2012 (Aldon plays 95.5% of snaps): 3.7 YPC allowed 2013 (Aldon plays 79.9% of snaps): 3.9 YPC allowed Also, since coming into the league, Von has more stops and half as many missed tackles as Aldon. |
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#168 |
Immanentize The Eschaton
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Miller looked horrible at the start of the season but he has improved every week. He looked pretty good the last two games. I felt sorry for Geno when Miller and Ware got to him at the same time.
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#169 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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Damn, I'd really love to fully debate with you on this. I was really into our discussion on Charles vs. Terrell Davis but I just can't bring myself to care enough to research stats on this one.. I will say that what you've brought me doesn't support your declaration that Aldon is a "liability" against the run. It could just mean that Von is really ****ing good. And given the fact that Smith is a 3-4 OLB I won't even attempt to argue that he's better in pass coverage. So it appears Aldon edges Von out in pass rushing while Von has the upper hand against the run and in coverage. These guys get paid to rush the passer, though. |
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#170 | |
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
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In this same frame of thought, Aldon tends to get his sacks in bunches, in blowout games. 23 of his sacks have come in games decided by 3 or more scores, compared to 9.5 for Von. To me, that means that 31.5 of Von's sacks actually came in games where a sack could be the difference in winning or losing the game, where only 19 of Aldon's sacks came in those situations. For instance, Aldon had 5.5 sacks in a 32-7 blowout of the Bears. I'm sure his sacks helped contribute to the lopsided score, but did they actually make a difference in whether the 49ers won or lost the game? |
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#171 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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This is a good argument. The only rebuttal I could come up with is one that would include total sacks, hits, and hurries. You don't actually have to record a sack to make an impact. That information still might support your argument and I don't care enough to look it up. |
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#172 | |
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
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Von is leading, but 0.24 hurries per game is not a lot. I'm trying to figure out a way to look at sacks (or pressures) in each game against the sacks (or pressures) allowed by that team that season, to try to account for opponent skill. Yes, I'm bored at work, and messing around in excel is a great way to look busy. |
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#173 |
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Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Dayton, Oh.
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#174 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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#175 |
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
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![]() This is cumulative % of games with a sack, and # of sacks, ordered by number of sacks the opponent gave up that season. The games to the left are the hardest, and they get easier as you go right. As you can see, Von gets a sack in 50% of his games against teams that gave up 25 or fewer sacks. Aldon doesn't get to 50% until he gets all the way up to opponents with 35 sacks/season. Also, Von has 10.5 sacks against teams that gave up 32 or fewer sacks in a season, while Aldon only has 3. I'm not sure this is the best way to show the information, but it sure looks good for Von, I'd say. |
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#176 |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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Hmmm. Looks good. At first glance, it would appear I couldn't possibly form a counter argument...
What's the significance of allowing 32 sacks? That's not a GoChiefs-esque, random number to support your statistics, is it? |
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#177 |
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
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Of course it is. It's also 2 sacks per game.
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#178 |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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![]() Either way, I don't care so I'll go ahead and concede this argument. Congratulations. KnowMo is still a little bitch, though. |
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#179 |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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And Jamaal Charles is better than Terrell Davis!
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#180 |
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