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Old 01-23-2019, 10:42 AM   #2
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I know this is what the league thinks. I get it.

But young coaches, especially the superstars, those ****ers are grinders man. They are 1,000 mph and they will kill themselves to get a shot at the big chair. They are so often out there providing the energy and the shot in the arm that an organization needs.

If I am looking for a "Head Coach of the Defense" then the EXACT guy I'm looking for is the hungry up and comer that will have the fire and energy and straight up hunger to go put forward the 100 hours that he needs to learn and create.

Not Romeo ****ing Crennel or Gunther or some other recycled old guy who thinks he has the answers already.

There's ample cause to flip that entire paradigm on its head and say that if you're looking for someone to turn the keys over to, the young guy is the way you SHOULD go.
Maybe Reid just didn't want to take the risk? Let's say with Spagnuolo (already annoying typing this clown's name) the average outcome with low variance is we go from 32nd to 25th in defense. That's probably enough to get us to the Super Bowl.

Whereas with one of these exciting young guys, our average outcome could be similar but with much higher variability. What if the guy totally didn't work and our defense actually regressed and we didn't even make Divisional Round because of it?

I guess if I thought we were really far away from a Super Bowl, I'd be much more inclined to take the risk of one of these young guys. But Reid presumably knows exactly what he's getting with Spagnuolo which isn't a bad thing when we're this close. Add to that the fact that Reid probably wants to take a very hands-off approach with the defense and needs an adult in that role.

Not saying I like the decision, but I understand it. There are so many factors that are going to determine whether this is a successful hire or not, so I'm not inclined to have too strong of an opinion at this point one way or the other.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:45 AM   #3
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Maybe Reid just didn't want to take the risk? Let's say with Spagnuolo (already annoying typing this clown's name) the average outcome with low variance is we go from 32nd to 25th in defense. That's probably enough to get us to the Super Bowl.

Whereas with one of these exciting young guys, our average outcome could be similar but with much higher variability. What if the guy totally didn't work and our defense actually regressed and we didn't even make Divisional Round because of it?

I guess if I thought we were really far away from a Super Bowl, I'd be much more inclined to take the risk of one of these young guys. But Reid presumably knows exactly what he's getting with Spagnuolo which isn't a bad thing when we're this close. Add to that the fact that Reid probably wants to take a very hands-off approach with the defense and needs an adult in that role.

Not saying I like the decision, but I understand it. There are so many factors that are going to determine whether this is a successful hire or not, so I'm not inclined to have too strong of an opinion at this point one way or the other.
Not wanting to take the risk got us stuck in slightly above average mediocrity for 5 years.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:45 AM   #4
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Maybe Reid just didn't want to take the risk? Let's say with Spagnuolo (already annoying typing this clown's name) the average outcome with low variance is we go from 32nd to 25th in defense. That's probably enough to get us to the Super Bowl.

Whereas with one of these exciting young guys, our average outcome could be similar but with much higher variability. What if the guy totally didn't work and our defense actually regressed and we didn't even make Divisional Round because of it?

I guess if I thought we were really far away from a Super Bowl, I'd be much more inclined to take the risk of one of these young guys. But Reid presumably knows exactly what he's getting with Spagnuolo which isn't a bad thing when we're this close. Add to that the fact that Reid probably wants to take a very hands-off approach with the defense and needs an adult in that role.

Not saying I like the decision, but I understand it. There are so many factors that are going to determine whether this is a successful hire or not, so I'm not inclined to have too strong of an opinion at this point one way or the other.
How does one regress from the position of worst?
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:51 AM   #5
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I have watched some of the videos on Spags. One thing is very clear, he is a student of the game. He clearly understands what is happening on the field and how best to defend it.
He is aggressive and does not sit back and let the offense dictate.

This is what we have been asking for. No more long sustained drives keeping our Offense off the field.

IF this is the guy, lets give him a chance. The game has changed but he is well suited to change also.
We know he has the attitude we are looking for.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:33 AM   #6
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It's pretty much who I thought it would be.

As much as I wanted him to....Andy wasn't turning over the defense to a young guy with no experience as a DC.

Am I excited? Meh...not really. Is it better than Sutton? Yes.

Maybe now we'll shit can this stupid 3-4 and be aggressive.
If Andy wants an experienced DC, I'd rather have John Fox or Rex Ryan than Spags.

I am still holding out hope for a Kris Richard miracle... ironically he would be the exact type of innovative/young and upcoming coach that Andy usually chooses for his OC/QB coach hires.

He should apply that same strategy towards hiring a new DC.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:35 AM   #7
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If Andy wants an experienced DC, I'd rather have John Fox or Rex Ryan than Spags.

I am still holding out hope for a Kris Richard miracle... ironically he would be the exact type of innovative/young and upcoming hire that Andy usually makes for his OC/QB coach hires.

He should apply that same strategy towards hiring a new DC.
I don't think Ryan and Andy would be a good mix...Reid is subdued and never says shit while Rex talks shit to the media.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:23 AM   #8
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If this is what happens, the 34 is pretty much gone.

Spagnuolo is a 43 under guy IIRC>
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:28 AM   #9
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DJLN is killing it in this thread. I could not disagree with one word he has said if I wanted to.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:30 AM   #11
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Spags and Rex Ryan are the two guys I didn't want. This may not be an upgrade at all.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:31 AM   #12
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Here's who he had on that 2016 defense that was top 10:

Defensive linemen

96 Jay Bromley DT
95 Johnathan Hankins DT
98 Damon Harrison DT
58 Owa Odighizuwa DE
78 Romeo Okwara DE
90 Jason Pierre-Paul DE
99 Robert Thomas DT
54 Olivier Vernon DE
72 Kerry Wynn DE

Linebackers
52 Jonathan Casillas OLB
93 B. J. Goodson MLB
94 Mark Herzlich OLB
59 Devon Kennard OLB
57 Keenan Robinson OLB
91 Kelvin Sheppard MLB
53 Deontae Skinner OLB
97 Ishaq Williams OLB

Defensive backs

33 Andrew Adams FS
24 Eli Apple CB
29 Nat Berhe FS
21 Landon Collins SS
25 Leon Hall CB
20 Janoris Jenkins CB
37 Eric Pinkins SS
41 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB
30 Coty Sensabaugh CB
31 Trevin Wade CB
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:32 AM   #13
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Here's who he had on that 2016 defense that was top 10:

Defensive linemen

96 Jay Bromley DT
95 Johnathan Hankins DT
98 Damon Harrison DT
58 Owa Odighizuwa DE
78 Romeo Okwara DE
90 Jason Pierre-Paul DE
99 Robert Thomas DT
54 Olivier Vernon DE
72 Kerry Wynn DE

Linebackers
52 Jonathan Casillas OLB
93 B. J. Goodson MLB
94 Mark Herzlich OLB
59 Devon Kennard OLB
57 Keenan Robinson OLB
91 Kelvin Sheppard MLB
53 Deontae Skinner OLB
97 Ishaq Williams OLB

Defensive backs

33 Andrew Adams FS
24 Eli Apple CB
29 Nat Berhe FS
21 Landon Collins SS
25 Leon Hall CB
20 Janoris Jenkins CB
37 Eric Pinkins SS
41 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB
30 Coty Sensabaugh CB
31 Trevin Wade CB
That's actually, not all that great, so much so the year after the Giants ditched almost all the guys you have bolded.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:31 AM   #14
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It's honestly not surprising, with the way Reid basically does nothing with the defense I don't think he was ever going to higher some young coach who'd never done it before.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:32 AM   #15
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This reeks of a hire who would keep his kid as the DL coach. He and Andy are besties, so no way would he fire junior. God damnit Andy.
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