***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Yes. But I don’t think Arizona would. However, it doesn’t matter. This is just an idea that someone floated. The logistics would be to difficult. It’s just wishful thinking. No sports until a vaccine or great therapeutics are in regular circulation. Sucks but it is what it is.

We might end up getting teams playing in mascot outfits which would be worth it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Social distancing worked better than the models expected it to work?

But what parts of it?

Because there's not a short term answer here. This is going to be something we need to slowly open the taps back up on and be able to adjust back to keep things contained here and there.

And because we just locked everything down, we have no idea if the 'simple' social distancing gave us 80% of the gains we made or not. If so, that's the obvious way to proceed. We don't know if we can open schools back up or restaurants. We don't know if bars w/ 50 people maximums would help enough to keep the curve reduced to manageable levels.

And why? Because everyone made louder and more extreme predictions over and over again. So we never got a halfway decent control.

We have no idea what is necessary or overkill because we never bothered to tailor an approach due to to hysterical models.

It was terrible science and terrible policy. We learned nothing towards putting together a long-term plan. "Oh well, anything to make an omelet" is not an acceptable approach to this thing.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's obviously more than just that. They were clueless as DJ pointed out. These models and experts have been so far off that your time would have been better spent reading a Deberg thread than discussing their models.. Whatever shit take Deberg has would be more accurate.

Would the models have been right if we would have not implemented social distancing and shut everything down? Continued life as normal


Or are the models way off base as a reaction to our new way of life?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Yes. But I don’t think Arizona would. However, it doesn’t matter. This is just an idea that someone floated. The logistics would be to difficult. It’s just wishful thinking. No sports until a vaccine or great therapeutics are in regular circulation. Sucks but it is what it is.

Just an idea someone floated?

It has the support of high-ranking federal public health officials who believe the league can safely operate amid the*coronavirus pandemic, sources told ESPN.

Has the support of MLB and Players Union.

You can all hide in the corner. These guys will be taking the field in 6-8 weeks.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

And one new positive test and the whole team is out too.

Why?

Test his teammates and you'll have results within 10 hours. If someone comes down with it in the AM, you can have viable results by first pitch that evening.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Would the models have been right if we would have not implemented social distancing and shut everything down? Continued life as normal


Or are the models way off base as a reaction to our new way of life?

The models assumed we would be doing what we are and were way the **** off.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Just an idea someone floated?

It has the support of high-ranking federal public health officials who believe the league can safely operate amid the*coronavirus pandemic, sources told ESPN.

Has the support of MLB and Players Union.

You can all hide in the corner. These guys will be taking the field in 6-8 weeks.

That shit is going to be stupid with no fans in the stadiums. To each their own but I wouldn't watch it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Why?

Test his teammates and you'll have results within 10 hours. If someone comes down with it in the AM, you can have viable results by first pitch that evening.

What about false negatives .

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

That shit is going to be stupid with no fans in the stadiums. To each their own but I wouldn't watch it.

I tried to watch wrestling like that......it's just weird.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

The models assumed we would be doing what we are and were way the **** off.

It is hard to predict who would or would not comply or how much people would by into it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Would the models have been right if we would have not implemented social distancing and shut everything down? Continued life as normal


Or are the models way off base as a reaction to our new way of life?

Again, the models presumed social distancing.

So no, they wouldn't have been 'right' had we done nothing because the results would've been based on a set of conditions they didn't put in place.

The models are way off base - period. And because of how far off they were, we know nothing more about how to address this thing long-term.

Hopefully there has been enough variation in approaches between the respective states that meaningful information can be derived from the responses, but its unlikely.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Sports without fans will suck absolute monkey nuts...especially baseball all played in Arizona. Not buying the "better than nothing!" The crowds are the difference makers to me.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

That shit is going to be stupid with no fans in the stadiums. To each their own but I wouldn't watch it.

You wouldn't watch baseball because there arent amy fans?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

That's great news.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You wouldn't watch baseball because there arent amy fans?

I will not be watching it. Of course it's a very horrible sport to watch on TV the way it is. Much less an empty stadium with no reactions to anything.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I tried to watch wrestling like that......it's just weird.

It is but baseball and wrestling are a bit different. Marlins have been playing without fans for years.