***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Every projection model I have seen today has reduced their projected Cases/Deaths totals pretty dramatically...

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Masters in November which is gonna be super weird lol...

I don't know how some of you watch golf. So boring

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Really? Were you alive for 9/11? Remember how the public reacted? You are seriously underestimating the American public's "fear" portion on how we get out of this mess.

The chance of getting killed in a terrorist attack was so minuscule but they still stayed at home. Since 9/11, foreign-born terrorists have killed roughly one American per year.

Someone can look it up but the chance of getting coronavirus and dying is a helluva lot higher than one person per year.

Yes, I do.

"After 9/11, domestic flights were grounded for three days, but the effects from fear and speculation lasted much longer and eventually led to a period of bankruptcies, bailouts, layoffs, mergers and acquisitions for the airline industry."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...industry%3famp

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Every projection model I have seen today has reduced their projected Cases/Deaths totals pretty dramatically...

Yeah,
extreme dramatic reduction, but that might be because social distancing is working.

NY is supposed to peak in 2 days. We will see, but recovered is now out pacing deaths. Need that trend to accelerate

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I don't know how some of you watch golf. So boring

We just pretend its Spurs basketball or an Alex Smith led offense.

[dirk digler]

If your not following Scott Gottlieb you need to

2/2 This is an indication that population based mitigation - with all the substantial costs and hardships created by our current efforts - may be having the effect of shortening and reducing the severity of the epidemic. The next two weeks are critical. This week may be hardest. pic.twitter.com/8ozIHEzY25

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) April 6, 2020

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Pablo

We just pretend its Spurs basketball or an Alex Smith led offense.

To each their own. I ain't mad at ya duck boy.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by Donger

It's not misleading. Coronaviruses have been around a long time.

Originally Posted by Pants

There is such a thing. Coronavirus is a type of a virus (Coronaviridae family). There are a myriad of Coronaviruses. This particular one is SARS-CoV-2.

If you cut out the semantics, though, you would understand what I’m trying to say. The fact is no one knows what this Covid-19 strain is capable of. Not even Fauci which he has admitted time and time again but not many people like to highlight those talking points. The doomsday predictions with huge numbers make much better charts and news ratings, though.

Im sure it makes it better for a lot of people to think they’re saving hundreds of thousands of lives sitting at home on their couches, but there are also millions more out there with anxiety issues that now have to look at the constant doomsday predictions and try to figure out how to increase there Xanax dosages in a stressful time like this. There’s truly no way to know what any other dimension on the timeline would have looked like because this is the first time any of us in the world are dealing with Covid-19.

Lots of experts in this thread. Some of you have some very good information and I’m not trying to argue against social distancing or any of the measures we have or haven’t taken. I’m just trying to remind some of you experts that it’s a virus and it’s the universe. Go smoke a joint or pour a drink and listen to “Let it be“ and remember we’re doing the best we can.

***disclaimer:this long rant brought to you by an essential traveler that is tired of getting looked at like some sort of serial killer on the loose***

[dirk digler]

Hey some good news

.@NYGovCuomo's aide Jim Malatras says the projections are now showing that the state unlikely to need 110,000 beds for #Coronavirus.

New projections show MUCH LOWER demand, near 20,000-30,000 range if the new chart is believed.

— Jesse McKinley (@jessemckinley) April 6, 2020

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Hey some good news

.@NYGovCuomo's aide Jim Malatras says the projections are now showing that the state unlikely to need 110,000 beds for #Coronavirus.

New projections show MUCH LOWER demand, near 20,000-30,000 range if the new chart is believed.

— Jesse McKinley (@jessemckinley) April 6, 2020

These numbers keep changing so much it's really hard to know what to believe or trust.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

If you cut out the semantics, though, you would understand what I’m trying to say. The fact is no one knows what this Covid-19 strain is capable of. Not even Fauci which he has admitted time and time again but not many people like to highlight those talking points. The doomsday predictions with huge numbers make much better charts and news ratings, though.

Im sure it makes it better for a lot of people to think they’re saving hundreds of thousands of lives sitting at home on their couches, but there are also millions more out there with anxiety issues that now have to look at the constant doomsday predictions and try to figure out how to increase there Xanax dosages in a stressful time like this. There’s truly no way to know what any other dimension on the timeline would have looked like because this is the first time any of us in the world are dealing with Covid-19.

Lots of experts in this thread. Some of you have some very good information and I’m not trying to argue against social distancing or any of the measures we have or haven’t taken. I’m just trying to remind some of you experts that it’s a virus and it’s the universe. Go smoke a joint or pour a drink and listen to “Let it be“ and remember we’re doing the best we can.

***disclaimer:this long rant brought to you by an essential traveler that is tired of getting looked at like some sort of serial killer on the loose***

I just how the medical world operates the odds of dying during a minor surgical procedure is pretty low but they still have to mentions all possible complications, not because the surgeon is all doom and gloom and is trying to get more ratings.

[Monticore]

Doctors and medical expert don't mind being wrong and in certain cases prefer it , when the tumor comes back negative for cancer they are pretty happy they were wrong.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I just how the medical world operates the odds of dying during a minor surgical procedure is pretty low but they still have to mentions all possible complications, not because the surgeon is all doom and gloom and is trying to get more ratings.

And it’s wonderful to mention them. It’s when you start charging us all for the possible complications that a lot of people would have an issue with it. Case in point...

[Ghost of Maslowski]

University of Texas: Probability of current COVID-19 outbreaks in all US counties

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

And it’s wonderful to mention them. It’s when you start charging us all for the possible complications that a lot of people would have an issue with it. Case in point...

If you don't mention them to people they might not adhere to the treatment.