***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

He missed on the biggest issue in 100 years. Sorry, I can't just poo poo that one away and shrug my shoulders.

If only it was that simple. Everyone did. I guess every medical expert in the world sucks. Like it or not he is the best we got.

[TLO]

They updated this - Holy smokes things have changed.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

[RunKC]

“This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11 moment,” U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams

How bad do we think this week is gonna be?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

He missed on the biggest issue in 100 years. Sorry, I can't just poo poo that one away and shrug my shoulders.

Perhaps publicly but unless he ever came out and said he underestimated it then we would probably never know for sure what his advice might have been behind the scenes. I think he is serving a necessary but impossible role of trying to say things that produce the least amount of reaction while maintaining a steady presence of remaining open to possibilities.

The quotes earlier about the chloroquine treatment that were posted are a perfect example. He basically said nothing when he said it may be effective and it may not and that’s perfectly fine from him I think. He doesn’t say don’t give it because it’s malpractice or the other extreme and say you should absolutely give it. He has to be as measured as possible and avoid definitive statements where possible to avoid unnecessary controversy.

[KS Smitty]

Originally Posted by TLO

They updated this - Holy smokes things have changed.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

"...assuming full social distancing"

I think we all can agree that that isn't happening and I sure hope those projections are off. Just based off traffic on the roadways here very few people are truly only going out for essentials and when they do they have no regard for social distancing when they're after a specific thing.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

"...assuming full social distancing"

I think we all can agree that that isn't happening and I sure hope those projections are off. Just based off traffic on the roadways here very few people are truly only going out for essentials and when they do they have no regard for social distancing when they're after a specific thing.

But the numbers have dropped dramatically.. Like.. A staggering amount. I don't know if I trust this model, but I want to.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Why throw in the insult , seems a little childish and probably doesn’t do you any favours trying to convince people to see your point of view.

It's cuz SRVY is a complete jackass and should kill himself.

[LiveSteam]

So. NY has over 200 deaths per million and California has 4.5 per million.
That. Or AM radio is lying

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

"...assuming full social distancing"

I think we all can agree that that isn't happening and I sure hope those projections are off. Just based off traffic on the roadways here very few people are truly only going out for essentials and when they do they have no regard for social distancing when they're after a specific thing.

been saying that from the jump. The economy says different but the eye test people are doing the same shit the always do especially if they didn't have the money to begin with to go to restaurants bars nightclubs concerts bowling etc.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Perhaps publicly but unless he ever came out and said he underestimated it then we would probably never know for sure what his advice might have been behind the scenes. I think he is serving a necessary but impossible role of trying to say things that produce the least amount of reaction while maintaining a steady presence of remaining open to possibilities.

The quotes earlier about the chloroquine treatment that were posted are a perfect example. He basically said nothing when he said it may be effective and it may not and that’s perfectly fine from him I think. He doesn’t say don’t give it because it’s malpractice or the other extreme and say you should absolutely give it. He has to be as measured as possible and avoid definitive statements where possible to avoid unnecessary controversy.

Very true. Gotta believe if he wasn't doing a good job he would have been replaced by now.

[dlphg9]

I think the stupid ass Gov. of MO is doing this whole stay at home order a little too late. For the last month I've been out a ton and the stores are completely full and then Friday he announces this order and Wal-Mart looked like it does around Thanksgiving and Christmas. This shit has already spread and it's just a matter of time.

[jdubya]

Interesting

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...yvYY4GjDWqpzF0

[blake5676]

Missouri was at somewhere around 2k projected deaths a few updates ago and now we're all the way down to 350ish? And last update had our peak all the way in late May and now we're back to peaking in about two weeks.

[LiveSteam]

I believe projections of death are off by a factor of over 10.
I pray Im right

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by srvy

Who has the best maple syrup in Canuck land?

No clue the Quebec mafia maybe.