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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****
They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 09-19-2023, 09:49 AM   #1696
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Honestly, the spreading it around is fine, but they need to get Toney as many touches per game as he can handle. Sure he may break, but he's the best playmaker on the field
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Old 09-19-2023, 09:55 AM   #1697
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Honestly, the spreading it around is fine, but they need to get Toney as many touches per game as he can handle. Sure he may break, but he's the best playmaker on the field
I think that's the plan long term, but they're easing him in after missing all of TC.

I'd expect a significant increase in snaps next week.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:00 AM   #1698
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I think that's the plan long term, but they're easing him in after missing all of TC.

I'd expect a significant increase in snaps next week.
I hope so. He needs the ball in his hands alot.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:12 AM   #1699
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Honestly, the spreading it around is fine, but they need to get Toney as many touches per game as he can handle. Sure he may break, but he's the best playmaker on the field
It is to a point. Still need that go to guy that can be relied on to be fed over and over.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:25 AM   #1700
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Honestly, the spreading it around is fine, but they need to get Toney as many touches per game as he can handle. Sure he may break, but he's the best playmaker on the field
Absolutely 100% correct, same with Rice.

We're paying MVS $10M to run clearing routes and catch 2 balls a game. If the offense is gonna struggle, at least let the most talented guys we have learn/grow while we struggle.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:32 AM   #1701
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Been out of the thread for 1500 posts or so. Have we established whether our WRs suck or not?


eh, apparently still up for debate.

Either they're "the worst WRs in the NFL," or they're all budding HOFers. Take your pick.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:36 AM   #1702
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Absolutely 100% correct, same with Rice.

We're paying MVS $10M to run clearing routes and catch 2 balls a game. If the offense is gonna struggle, at least let the most talented guys we have learn/grow while we struggle.
I dont disagree with this line of thought, in theory.

I just think reality and history with this coaching staff suggests they'll be eased along slower than we may like.

But hey, 2 Super Bowl wins in 4 years, hard to argue with the results.
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:08 AM   #1703
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Absolutely 100% correct, same with Rice.

We're paying MVS $10M to run clearing routes and catch 2 balls a game. If the offense is gonna struggle, at least let the most talented guys we have learn/grow while we struggle.
10 M for a wr is basically 6 mil 5 years ago.

It's not really much anymore.

It's just hard for me to argue against Andy's results doing this stuff. He's been at it for 25 years and the results are the results.
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:12 AM   #1704
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10 M for a wr is basically 6 mil 5 years ago.

It's not really much anymore.

It's just hard for me to argue against Andy's results doing this stuff. He's been at it for 25 years and the results are the results.
It is when you're paying him $2.5M more than the rest of the WR's under contract COMBINED and all he's doing is Hoovering up valuable snaps and doing nothing with them.

Any doubt that if we gave Rice those snaps he couldn't produce at that level?

Oh wait, he basically already is.
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:17 AM   #1705
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It is when you're paying him $2.5M more than the rest of the WR's under contract COMBINED and all he's doing is Hoovering up valuable snaps and doing nothing with them.

Any doubt that if we gave Rice those snaps he couldn't produce at that level?

Oh wait, he basically already is.
I mean, the guy was basically the MVP of the AFCCG last year, filling a multitude of roles in that game.

But somehow you're still in this "MVS? LOL" mindset because you think he hasn't lived up to his contract when the statistics tell you he did last year.
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:18 AM   #1706
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I mean, the guy was basically the MVP of the AFCCG last year, filling a multitude of roles in that game.

But somehow you're still in this "MVS? LOL" mindset because you think he hasn't lived up to his contract when the statistics tell you he did last year.
This.

It's silly, but then again, he thinks everything before week 1 is irrelevant, so I guess by his logic the AFCCG perfomance doesn't matter?
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10 M for a wr is basically 6 mil 5 years ago.

It's not really much anymore.

It's just hard for me to argue against Andy's results doing this stuff. He's been at it for 25 years and the results are the results.

I was told that we couldn't afford 10-12 million to pay a #1 or #2 WR.
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:22 AM   #1708
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I mean, the guy was basically the MVP of the AFCCG last year, filling a multitude of roles in that game.

But somehow you're still in this "MVS? LOL" mindset because you think he hasn't lived up to his contract when the statistics tell you he did last year.
680 yards and 2 TD's.

Are we *sure* Rice couldn't do that if given the opportunity?
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:24 AM   #1709
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This.

It's silly, but then again, he thinks everything before week 1 is irrelevant, so I guess by his logic the AFCCG perfomance doesn't matter?
1 catch for 6 yards in the other 2 playoff games combined.

Interesting thinking that someone should be getting snaps over a promising rookie simply because he had a great playoff game.

It doesn't matter, because as DJ pointed out, Andy is gonna Andy. It's a trust issue, and ironically he's not allowing Rice to gain trust because he won't put him on the field.
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:26 AM   #1710
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680 yards and 2 TD's.

Are we *sure* Rice couldn't do that if given the opportunity?
Yes, I would wager that Rice - this year - cannot match what MVS does with the route tree he runs. MVS consistently has the highest - or amongst the few highest - average depth of target in the league. This isn't about just replacing yards - it's the routes he runs and the way he threatens defenses.

We signed MVS for a very specific purpose, and he did what was asked of him at a salary commensurate with other players who performed similarly. And then, when we needed him to step outside his box, he did with flying colors in the most important game *I* think this team has played in a long time.
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