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Old 12-04-2018, 08:38 AM   #2
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Why is the Royals thread about the Cardinals?
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:44 AM   #3
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Why is the Royals thread about the Cardinals?
Hiring a person who had notoriously and very publicly lost his locker room (a fact backed up by multiple sources). Tends to do that - especially when you're in the process of rebuilding with young players.

Still waiting for that Cardinal fan to speak his praises! I know a lot of people compare him to Yost, but no one ever said Yost was bad with the players - they just said he was a horrific bullpen manager (and yeah, there was something to that).
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:34 AM   #4
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The "stupidity" comment wasn't leveled at you at all. But, I hold yiuband Duncan to a higher standard here. That's why I'm still on this, I wouldn't if it was say Lewdog or just the BFIBs acting stupidly. I'm genuinely surprised you and Duncan didn't see this for what it was: anti-religious bigotry masquerading as "analysis".



Make no mistake tho: the Cards beat writer absolutely saw it.
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Old 12-04-2018, 10:26 AM   #5
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The "stupidity" comment wasn't leveled at you at all. But, I hold yiuband Duncan to a higher standard here. That's why I'm still on this, I wouldn't if it was say Lewdog or just the BFIBs acting stupidly. I'm genuinely surprised you and Duncan didn't see this for what it was: anti-religious bigotry masquerading as "analysis".



Make no mistake tho: the Cards beat writer absolutely saw it.

Ben Frederickson is not a beat writer (columnist) and was not in St. Louis for the first five years or so of Matheny’s time as manager.

I wouldn’t expect him to have the insight into why Allen Craig and Pete Kozma and etc. were getting playing time their performance didn’t warrant, at the expense of young players or better alternatives.

Joe Strauss, Bernie Miklasz, Derrick Goold... They were there. Believe the thought the Bible study group membership was influencing playing time decisions originated from comments from them. I never saw one of those directly because I don’t follow the Cardinals that closely, but people who did saw them.

Regardless, the fact remains that in addition to his worst-in-MLB bullpen management, Matheny had trouble with young player development, he had trouble connecting with all of his clubhouse, he lost big parts of his clubhouse, and he consistently played underperforming veterans for far too long.

He’s a terrible option for a rebuilding club that is planning to go young, young, young...

Remember the days of Ross Gload getting tons of PT over younger options? That’s the type of stuff Matheny is infamous for. No thank you.
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Old 12-04-2018, 11:36 AM   #6
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Ben Frederickson is not a beat writer (columnist) and was not in St. Louis for the first five years or so of Matheny’s time as manager.

I wouldn’t expect him to have the insight into why Allen Craig and Pete Kozma and etc. were getting playing time their performance didn’t warrant, at the expense of young players or better alternatives.

Joe Strauss, Bernie Miklasz, Derrick Goold... They were there. Believe the thought the Bible study group membership was influencing playing time decisions originated from comments from them. I never saw one of those directly because I don’t follow the Cardinals that closely, but people who did saw them.

Regardless, the fact remains that in addition to his worst-in-MLB bullpen management, Matheny had trouble with young player development, he had trouble connecting with all of his clubhouse, he lost big parts of his clubhouse, and he consistently played underperforming veterans for far too long.

He’s a terrible option for a rebuilding club that is planning to go young, young, young...

Remember the days of Ross Gload getting tons of PT over younger options? That’s the type of stuff Matheny is infamous for. No thank you.

Derrick Goold and Ben Fredrickson already weighed in on this - and both agree fully with me. I'll go ahead and downgrade you from their level, and put you in the BFIB bucket with Mecca, Rabbi, Hamas and Bigfatqueef. Congrats!


As the Warden told Andy Dufresne in Shawshank: "I'm pulling you out of that 1-bunk Hilton and casting you down with the sodomites"
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:32 PM   #7
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Derrick Goold and Ben Fredrickson already weighed in on this - and both agree fully with me. I'll go ahead and downgrade you from their level, and put you in the BFIB bucket with Mecca, Rabbi, Hamas and Bigfatqueef. Congrats!





As the Warden told Andy Dufresne in Shawshank: "I'm pulling you out of that 1-bunk Hilton and casting you down with the sodomites"

Show me Goold weighing on it and I’ll completely discount the rumors.
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:40 PM   #8
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Show me Goold weighing on it and I’ll completely discount the rumors.
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:35 PM   #9
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You agreed with them.
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Old 12-04-2018, 10:49 AM   #10
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Bitch is defending Matheny...that's a hell of a hill to die on.
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:07 PM   #11
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If anything, I'd guess that Matheny is the equivalent of a player reclamation project. They see things they like...but want him in their system to see if they can fix what they don't like. They might just want him around Yost to see if he can learn from what Yost learned about his own mistakes in Milwaukee. It won't make him any better of a tactician (Yost has never really developed on that end, either), but it could move him towards being a better manager to players. It's not a terrible idea. I doubt it's a given at all that he's next in line, regardless.
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:11 PM   #12
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There's literally nothing he does that's worth reclamation. He's bad at handling players, bad at in-game strategy, and knows dick about analytics. But yeah, good luck getting a guy whose book was called a manifesto in its own title to soften up how he handles players.
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:51 PM   #13
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Royals sign Chris Owings.
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:55 PM   #14
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Royals sign Chris Owings.
Decent. Had an awful year last year. Prior to that he was a decent utility guy with some pop who could steal a base or two.
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:02 PM   #15
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Decent. Had an awful year last year. Prior to that he was a decent utility guy with some pop who could steal a base or two.
Yeah, seemed to have some hard luck hitting last year. Hopefully, he can turn it around.
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