***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[F150]

Originally Posted by O.city

Interesting

I’m skeptical but we shall see

Agree, but logical that the previous anti viral coronavirus treatments would be a great starting spot or any that have been in development in the animal health world as well.

Hopefully we get that breakthrough, sure a ton of time and mony being thrown into R and D by the big players.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes. That's why I said can prevent. Would you agree that you can ingest a droplet full of the virus easier without a mask?

I agree it can prevent , when used properly.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sure I did. You originally said:

Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media.

Would you agree that you can ingest a droplet full of the virus easier without a mask? I'm well-aware that mouth and nose masks don't do anything to prevent transmission via the eyes.

Dude ****ing stop. You saw what I just posted. Now .

['Hamas' Jenkins]

AC,

I've already mentioned much higher rates of mortality from the CDC's MMWR, which you ignored, and those rates are higher for the ages in your bracket than flu's mortality overall even in a bad year.

[stumppy]

What the hell is going on in here?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude ****ing stop. You saw what I just posted. Now .

You mean this?

We know these masks are more to keep you from spreading it as opposed to prevent getting it

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I agree it can prevent , when used properly.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Donger

With the scenario I posted above would that increase or decrease your chances of getting the virus over not having a mask at all?

lol just wanted to be donger for a second.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Donger

You mean this?

We know these masks are more to keep you from spreading it as opposed to prevent getting it

Don't bother Donger. Pete thinks he is never wrong about anything. Didn't you know?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Don't bother Donger. Pete thinks he is never wrong about anything. Didn't you know?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by SupDock

That's what you said. You didn't say "bad flu season"

Shortly afterwards you changed that age to 50, and specified "bad flu season"

Shortly? 2 days later .. but ok.

According to the article the death rate is NEVER higher than .16% for any group under 40, which is what I was referencing. Although I later looked at the report itself and they misquoted and it should have read "for any group under 50".

40–49 0·161% (0·0764–0·323)

Here is what the report says regarding total numbers for age groups under 60 (I should have just used this figure but I was being conservative)

<60 0·145% (0·0883–0·317)

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ask and you shall receive

huh? Reread my post because you obviously missed a step. What you quoted does not at all negate what I just said or in any way support your argument.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by SupDock

That's what you said. You didn't say "bad flu season"

If you had said the CFR for cases under 40 is similar to the overall CFR of very bad flu season, you wouldn't have had so many people disagreeing.

Shortly afterwards you changed that age to 50, and specified "bad flu season"

Re-replying because you changed the post.

I very much said BAD FLU SEASON and that is what was quoted and what Hamas was a prick about.

I did however have a SEPERATE post from TWO DAYS AGO that said under 40 was same as the flu (in regards to mortality) which is also true or close enough to support the point being made. (I'd have to run the numbers but I think it is close to .12% for under 40 according to the report.)

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Monticore

With the scenario I posted above would that increase or decrease your chances of getting the virus over not having a mask at all?

lol just wanted to be donger for a second.

It would decrease the chance. Without a mask, down the hatch it goes if you put said infected fingers in your mouth.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Just turned on the tv only to hear the media tell me that we have "burst past the 1 million case count". Not passed 1 million but "burst past"

“Just” 59 million more cases to go until it equals the 60 million # of Swine Flu cases during the 2009-2010 pandemic (and that 60 million # was just in the US).

Yet I don’t remember the same frantic minute by minute case count update from the media during the last and most recent officially declared pandemic.