***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Donger

(CNN)A prestigious scientific panel told the White House Wednesday night that research shows coronavirus can be spread not just by sneezes or coughs, but also just by talking, or possibly even just breathing.

"While the current [coronavirus] specific research is limited, the results of available studies are consistent with aerosolization of virus from normal breathing," according to the letter, written by Dr. Harvey Fineberg, chairman of a committee with the National Academy of Sciences.

Fineberg told CNN that he will wear start wearing a mask when he goes to the grocery stor

I have been thinking this to be true for a very LONG time. It only makes sense. If people are spreading it without symptoms, they are not sneezing, hacking, and coughing. We all know if the spread would be that specific this would be a nothing burger. Who among us has seen anyone lately that was out in public with these symptoms? I also do not think the White House today was enlightened by this panel. They have been alluding to this possibility for a long while.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

If you can somehow work in an Operation Mincemeat analogy in your analysis at any time in this process (for this, a vaccine, or our response in some way), expect some quality rep from yours truly.

How 'bout using the blood/antibodies of a previously infected patient agent to throw 'dead' virus into the system and create misinformation/confusion among the living virus that allows your forces to get a head start and cut things off before they really get going?

I think O.City is the one that's been tracking that particular bit of research.

I dunno...that's a hell of a hard one.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by kgrund

I have been thinking this to be true for a very LONG time. It only makes sense. If people are spreading it without symptoms, they are not sneezing, hacking, and coughing. We all know if the spread would be that specific this would be a nothing burger. Who among us has seen anyone lately that was out in public with these symptoms? I also do not think the White House today was enlightened by this panel. They have been alluding to this possibility for a long while.

Shit I went to Walmart the other day and there was a bunch of old people coughing and hacking so I turned around and went home.

[Mecca]

http://nautil.us/blog/be-wary-of-a-m...ovid_19-deaths

Interesting article to say the least.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

They elected the dumbass? would not be fair but I could see that being the thought.

I think the mention of doing it would help nudge those dragging their feet to take action now.

[Hammock Parties]

21,000/675 today

we are going for 1500

Florida is leading NY right now for deaths today

They had 300 deaths before today, 209 today

WTF

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

How 'bout using the blood/antibodies of a previously infected patient agent to throw 'dead' virus into the system and create misinformation/confusion among the living virus that allows your forces to get a head start and cut things off before they really get going?

I think O.City is the one that's been tracking that particular bit of research.

I dunno...that's a hell of a hard one.

Convalescent plasma has been used in certain cases. Scaling that would present major challenges.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

21,000/675 today

we are going for 1500

Florida is leading NY right now for deaths today

They had 300 deaths before today, 209 today

WTF

They're slow as **** reaction, mixed with beaches/spring break and their huge old population is likely to make that state a disaster.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

http://nautil.us/blog/be-wary-of-a-m...ovid_19-deaths

Interesting article to say the least.

The IMHE model was off by 350% less than a week after it was released.

I mean c'mon. They're holding up a model that ate shit almost immediately and saying "any model that doesn't match this model that failed spectacularly almost immediately is clearly wrong..."

Ultimately I can't speak to their conclusions because there are a ton of unknowns here, but that particular analysis is horseshit. If my teacher wrote "show your work" on a test question and I responded w/ a picture of me pulling numbers from my rectum, right or wrong answer, I ain't getting much credit.

So in response "Be wary of anyone who presents the IMHE model as the Rosetta Stone"

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Convalescent plasma has been used in certain cases. Scaling that would present major challenges.

Yeah...but does the analogy work?

I know full well I have no understanding at all of the science...

[Mecca]

In the last 2 weeks...10 million people filed for unemployment.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

In the last 2 weeks...10 million people filed for unemployment.

Yeah man it sucks I feel for all the people who lost their jobs due to this pandemic.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Mecca

In the last 2 weeks...10 million people filed for unemployment.

Does this mean less people will hoard toilet paper? Finally!

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Does this mean less people will hoard toilet paper? Finally!

Probably not. Quite a few are going to make more money than they did.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Does this mean less people will hoard toilet paper? Finally!

No, it means more people will be sitting their ass at home using MOAR