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11-21-2018, 06:03 PM | #136 | |
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If this team does pull it off and wins a Super Bowl, all of these guys are going to expect that much more. If Jones is playing like he is right now all the way through the playoffs, he’s going to be able to ask for $100M when all is said and done. Same with Hill. |
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11-21-2018, 06:05 PM | #137 |
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Personally, I'd go after Tre Boston. He's been just as productive as either of them and he's only 26 (like Mathieu) and on a 1-year $2.5 million deal with Arizona. He'll look to get out of there and, after the safety market in 2018 dipped, he may just sign on for a relatively friendly deal if it's long-term.
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11-21-2018, 06:06 PM | #138 | |
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11-21-2018, 06:08 PM | #139 | |
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Jones can absolutely make the argument that he’s worth 100 if he stays on this tear and this team wins a title. |
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11-21-2018, 06:15 PM | #140 |
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Welcome to the real world. Want to actually be serious? Try applying your angst to the world of the working.
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11-21-2018, 06:16 PM | #141 |
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Tear? He's got sacks but he isn't in those guy's realm of play. He doesn't disrupt the LOS every single play like those guys do. He's not the one guy you absolutely can't miss a snap on because he'll eat your lunch. You watched Aaron Donald play the other night. How many plays did the O-line get where they didn't need to keep their heads on a swivel and account for him because he was wreaking havoc? Jones runs way too hot and cold. He's more like Jurrell Casey than anywhere near Donald or Mack.
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11-21-2018, 06:20 PM | #142 | |
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11-21-2018, 09:41 PM | #143 |
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Totally agree with the OP. QB is obviously a position where if you truly have a great one, you pay them whatever. For all intents and purposes, you can’t win a SB without a really good one, and it helps even more to have a great one. Mahomes is clearly headed towards greatness so he will be the top paid QB and that’s fine. He may also help us save some money elsewhere because FAs will want to come play with him just for the chance at doing great things. We saw it with Manning and the Broncos and Brady with the Pats. Those teams don’t hand out many top contracts, but got reasonable deals for some really good players because of who plays QB.
As for other positions, I think it comes down to how they impact other players on the team. The concept being that guys who allow you to get by with leaser talent elsewhere are more valuable and can be paid more because you save elsewhere. Hill is a good example. His speed and quickness draws a lot of attention away from other positions. When used as a decoy, he is very effective at affecting the defense. He is also able to produce even after teams started to realize his ability and game plan for it. Affecting the opposing teams’ plans AND producing is a good indicator that a player is worth the money. Age and injury history should factor in and also trade value. If a player can be traded for multiple first or second rounders, then it really makes it harder to justify, in my opinion. The Khalil Mack trade is one that I personally agreed with for the Raiders. I just didn’t see the kind of player that has the characteristics above. I think that in the end we will say that the Raiders will, or could, have gotten more talent with the picks than keeping Mack. They might screw up the picks, but I think good tenant will be available. There is also the question of availability when handing out top contracts. How many games played do you get for your salary cap dollar? You are investing a lot of money in one player and when that one player is injured, 100% of that money is injured. If you have two players splitting that money and one gets hurt, only 50% is injured. You still have the other 50% working for you. If injury probability is the same risk for all players, the probability that one player will be injured is higher than the probability that two other players will both be injured at the same time. It puts the entire team at risk when huge amounts of cap space are tied up with a few star players. When those guys go out, not only are they replaced with less than average guys, but the previously average guys around them play worse than usual because they try to compensate but can’t and make mistakes as a result. |
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11-22-2018, 01:40 AM | #144 | |
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He's every bit as good as Joey Bosa, Fletcher Cox, JJ Watt (this year). He's not on Donald's tier but no one is. |
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11-22-2018, 02:14 AM | #145 |
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I know that nobody is going to want to pay another player, with the exception of Mahomes of course, after Houston and Berry. But it's going to happen someday.
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11-22-2018, 02:40 AM | #146 | |
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11-22-2018, 09:40 AM | #147 |
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Steinberg I think
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11-22-2018, 12:00 PM | #148 |
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Not going to go through all the 10 pages but Fuller is also a must keep IMO.
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11-22-2018, 06:17 PM | #149 |
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Go ahead and take one minute out of your time watch Chris Jones absolutely destroying linemen, QBs, and RBs in the last month or two. This guy is becoming a dominant player.
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11-22-2018, 06:39 PM | #150 | |
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I would offer him an $80 million contract. After the 2 listed above making $100+ million, guys like Tuitt and Casey make $60 million. Maybe something a little higher than Danielle Hunter’s contract. I think the Chiefs need to follow this structure:
This is going to be a very good defensive class. I’d go for a good pass rusher and DB that is a ball hawk. Then the Peters pick can be used for an offensive weapon or OL if need be. |
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