49ers Brandon Aiyuk has requested a trade

[RunKC]

Brandon Aiyuk is under contract for a little more than $14 million this season. The #49ers survived a trade request from Deebo Samuel. We’ll see if they can find their way through this one from Aiyuk. https://t.co/jKpRuBqOkJ

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 16, 2024

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Uh, think you got some of your math and your QB evaluations wrong here.

First of all, pretty much everyone on your list above had significantly more targets than Aiyuk.

In Tyreek's/CeeDee Lamb's/Nacua's/AJ Brown's/Keenan Allen's and J. Chase's cases, they all saw anywhere from 45-75 more targets than Aiyuk last season.

And yet, only five of them had more total receiving yards.

I was aware of that fact when I made my post. Aiyuk has a luxury that none of these other guys have and that’s being the FOURTH option in his own offense. Everyone else you mentioned is the guy in their respective offense. That’s the only reason Aiyuk was able to be so efficient with his targets if we’re being honest.

Only G. Pickens had a higher Y/A.

Only Tyreek and Lamb had more receiving plays over 20 yards. They both had 29, Aiyuk had 28. So big diff there.

Yards per reception is such a volatile, variable stat that I don’t think it matters much. Aiyuk’s YPR last year was more than 3 yards higher than his career average. It’s most likely an extreme statistical outlier and that’ll be proven within the next few years.

And not for nothing, but just exactly how did Nico Collins out-perform Aiyuk? He had nearly 50 fewer yards, a lower Yards per catch average, fewer big plays and fewer 1st downs. Please shed some light on this one.

Nico had 45 fewer yards and 1 more TD in 1 less game.

If you swapped the two, I think Aiyuk would struggle to match his numbers, while Collins would find it easier to do so being on such a star studded offense.

IMO, the season Collins had given the circumstances was more impressive that Aiyuk’s.

And how are you evaluating QBs these days? Case in point, just how on God's green Earth do you put Purdy above Matt Stafford? Purdy above Stroud? I mean, I get Purdy had a really good year statistically (echoes of Alex Smith's 2017 season), but I doubt any scout/GM would say that Purdy was a better QB than Stafford.

That's just silly. And don't give me the "Purdy was statistically better," BS. If that's your premise, then by that reasoning, Purdy is better than Mahomes. Which is just ridiculous. Obviously.

Did I put Purdy above Stafford and Stroud? I don’t remember saying that.

Maybe you’re confused from where I said “despite SOMETIMES having worse QB situations”. I mean, that should speak for itself. Purdy was 100% better last year than Baker, Watson/Flacco, Geno Smith, Derek Carr, Sam Howell, Pickett, etc.

As for this line:




No to DK (didn't outperform Aiyuk in any meaningful way), no to Terry, just lol to Olave and Pickens, Kupp may not ever get to his former HoF self (but I'm a Kupp fan so I'll give you this one) and Godwin?

I like Godwin, but just lol, no. Godwin is average to maybe a bit above average outside; he's a slot receiver. That's where he's always been at his best, where the vast bulk of his production has come from over his entire career, and last season when Canales tried to put him outside the experiment was a near-complete failure by all TB accounts.

In fact, it was during that losing streak TB had mid-season when Canales tried to put Godwin outside. Check his gamelogs, it wasn't great.

And their winning streak to finish the season came at the same time Godwin was put back in the slot.

Anyway, I look forward to reading your counter at this point. Especially about the QBs.

Godwin may have been a stretch. As you can see, I included him at the very end as he is a step below any of the other names I mentioned.

But DK I think is a better, more talented WR than Aiyuk. Stats don’t always tell the whole story.

No to Terry and lol at Olave? Have you watched these dudes play. They’re dawgs. You put any of them on that SF offense with Deebo, CMC and Kittle drawing coverage away and they’d all go crazy.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is exactly what people used to say about Hill.

Right. If you think Deebo is just a gadget guy, you don’t really watch the 9ers play.

You can argue that Aiyuk is a better pure WR all day. I don’t necessarily agree with that but I’ll entertain the argument. The issue is, you can’t just hand waive the fact that Deebo is the second most dangerous WR in the NFL with the ball in his hands. That’s part of the package of being an NFL receiver as well and Deebo is a LOT better at it than Aiyuk.

Plus, like others have mentioned, they lost three games in a row without Deebo last year, only scoring 17 PPG during that stretch. I think the proof is in the pudding.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I read a few pages from yesterday. I'm with Staylor Aiyuk is more valuable and should be prioritized. I'm surprised there's even an argument for deebo. He's just a high end gadget.

Appanrelty many don't understand who the 49ers WR1 is, and that being versatile doesn't make their WR2 more valuable.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is exactly what people used to say about Hill.

Terrible comparison. Like not even remotely close to the same guy.

Tyreek started off as a gadget guy, but he had some WR qualities you either have or don't have and he developed as a route runner.

Tyreek can run routes and separate consistently. Deebo can't. Tyreek is the Dolphins X WR and runs big boy routes. Aiyuk is the 49ers X, while Deebo gets schemed touches and runs mostly short to intermediate routes.

[Delano]

49ers consistently go to Kittle, Deebo, or CM in crunch time, gotta have five yard situations. That’s value. Throughout the Receiver documentary on Netflix, you get the sense Shannahan trusts those three over anyone else, including Aiyuk.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Delano

49ers consistently go to Kittle, Deebo, or CM in crunch time, gotta have five yard situations. That’s value. Throughout the Receiver documentary on Netflix, you get the sense Shannahan trusts those three over anyone else, including Aiyuk.

Funny how you guys are trying to run with this narrative that their leading receiver the last 2 years is their 4th option. 2,357 yards and 15 TDs.



You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Shanahan can say what he wants on a documentary specifically about Kittle and Deebo, but Aiyuk is the guy they value long term 100%.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Delano

49ers consistently go to Kittle, Deebo, or CM in crunch time, gotta have five yard situations. That’s value. Throughout the Receiver documentary on Netflix, you get the sense Shannahan trusts those three over anyone else, including Aiyuk.

Could be.

Could also be that SF runs a lot of condensed sets and the goal of those sets is to get the ball out quickly to a receiver running a short route.


Also, let's not forget who's throwing the ball in SF. Purdy is a good QB, but he's not been gifted with a strong arm or great accuracy downfield. So once Aiyuk runs past a certain yard-line, he's probably out of Purdy's effective range, right?


But yeah, in short yardage situations, I agree that the trio of CMC/Kittle/Deebo would be the most likely targets. Hell, I've been saying they aren't targeting Kittle enough for a couple seasons now. Regardless, if I'm the coach and the distance is 5 or less yards, hell yeah I'm throwing the ball to one of those guys over Aiyuk. That's their collective wheelhouse.

[Delano]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Could be.

Could also be that SF runs a lot of condensed sets and the goal of those sets is to get the ball out quickly to a receiver running a short route.


Also, let's not forget who's throwing the ball in SF. Purdy is a good QB, but he's not been gifted with a strong arm or great accuracy downfield. So once Aiyuk runs past a certain yard-line, he's probably out of Purdy's effective range, right?


But yeah, in short yardage situations, I agree that the trio of CMC/Kittle/Deebo would be the most likely targets. Hell, I've been saying they aren't targeting Kittle enough for a couple seasons now. Regardless, if I'm the coach and the distance is 5 or less yards, hell yeah I'm throwing the ball to one of those guys over Aiyuk. That's their collective wheelhouse.

I think you summed up pretty well why Deebo is more valuable in the 49ers offense.

[kccrow]

Aiyuk has far and away been their number 1 for a couple of seasons now. Some of that is due to injury to Deebo and some is just that he's developed into the better WR. Deebo is a good player and a chain mover but he's not in the same stratosphere as an overall WR as Aiyuk is. Aiyuk threatens all levels of the field.

I'd pay Aiyuk and dump Deebo next offseason if I were them.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Funny how you guys are trying to run with this narrative that their leading receiver the last 2 years is their 4th option. 2,357 yards and 15 TDs.



You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Shanahan can say what he wants on a documentary specifically about Kittle and Deebo, but Aiyuk is the guy they value long term 100%.

Originally Posted by kccrow

Aiyuk has far and away been their number 1 for a couple of seasons now. Some of that is due to injury to Deebo and some is just that he's developed into the better WR. Deebo is a good player and a chain mover but he's not in the same stratosphere as an overall WR as Aiyuk is. Aiyuk threatens all levels of the field.

I'd pay Aiyuk and dump Deebo next offseason if I were them.

I've listened to Middlekauf and Haberman for a long time, both SF guys with some Chiefs ties.

People in this thread are way off on Aiyuk. Deebo is basically a modified RB, he can't get open as a pure WR.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've listened to Middlekauf and Haberman for a long time, both SF guys with some Chiefs ties.

People in this thread are way off on Aiyuk. Deebo is basically a modified RB, he can't get open as a pure WR.

Yes, I know Virus is absolutely clueless.

[Couch-Potato]

Guys, without question Aiyuk is a top WR in this league. I’d say he probably makes the top 10, especially if he weren’t in the best offense in the league. Imagine him in a D Adams or C Lamb scenario where they have to force-feed him touches constantly bc he’s pretty much the only option, dude would eat! 1.3k yards in SFs offense, sharing all those balls and with B Purdy under center, that’s impressive. He’d shine even brighter elsewhere, would potentially crack the top 5 if he’s not already close.

[ThaVirus]

“Can’t get open as a pure WR” lol



I’m about 2 minutes into this highlight reel and I’ve already seen a couple slants, couple deep ins, couple comebacks, couple deep balls, a flag route, a simple screen, a swing pass and a handoff. AND THE VIDEO IS STILL JUST IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON.

I think the mistake people make in this situation is assuming that because his best work is done after the catch, he isn’t good before the catch. That simply isn’t true.

The truth is, when you have a RAC monster like Deebo, you want to get the ball in his hands as quickly as possible. Same concept we employed last year with Rashee. Same reason Tyreek Hill’s average depth of target is shorter than Aiyuk’s.

Even more on that, Deebo averages 9.7 yards per reception AFTER THE CATCH. On average, this ****er is going to give you a 1st down in just RAC every time he catches the ball. I don’t think people understand how incredible that is. Tyreek’s last year in KC, he averaged 11 yards per catch total. Even elite pass catching RBs like CMC and Jamaal Charles don’t average 10 yards of RAC per reception.

[staylor26]

The problem is that you don't even understand that you're arguing against something that isn't even debatable.

Aiyuk is the X. Aiyuk is the WR1. Aiyuk is running the big boy routes. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Deebo is the WR2 and WR/RB hybrid that gets a lot of manufactured targets because he's fantastic with the ball in his hands. What he's not is a great route runner or separator.

[ThaVirus]

I think a similar argument between the two would be Lamar Jackson vs Dak Prescott. In this situation, Lamar is Deebo and Dak is Aiyuk.

Is Dak a better pure passer than Lamar? Almost certainly. Due to that, is Dak’s playstyle more likely to lend itself to longevity and make him a safer financial investment? Yep, definitely.

Is Dak Prescott a better football player than Lamar Jackson? Absolutely ****ing not.

And neither is Aiyuk a better football player than Deebo.

I’m sorry. It’s just science.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I think a similar argument between the two would be Lamar Jackson vs Dak Prescott. In this situation, Lamar is Deebo and Dak is Aiyuk.

Is Dak a better pure passer than Lamar? Almost certainly. Due to that, is Dak’s playstyle more likely to lend itself to longevity and make him a safer financial investment? Yep, definitely.

Is Dak Prescott a better football player than Lamar Jackson? Absolutely ****ing not.

And neither is Aiyuk a better football player than Deebo.

I’m sorry. It’s just science.

What a stupid ****ing comparison and false equivalence.

Deebo and Aiyuk are on the same team, and the WR1/X is not Deebo. It's been this way for the last 2 years.