Harrison Butker is going to break the new KO

[Megatron96]

Just saw this last night. Butker already figured out how to bend the kick and force a bad return

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by ljmhawk

i would just boot it out of the end zone and give them the ball at the 30…why even risk a chance at a huge return with the new dumb kickoff rule?

It goes to the 35 in that scenario.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

That’s basically what Butker is doing with creating weird angles and bounces. Really low flat kicks are risky though because they are harder to control and they would be much more likely to land before the 20 yard line, which if that happens then the ball comes all the way out to the 40 yard line.

Exactly. And what Butker/Toub are trying to do is force the returner to delay his decision on whether to return it or not to the last possible moment, as well as making fielding the ball as difficult as possible. That can lead to mistakes, and gives the tacklers more time to close the distance, which should lead to shorter returns, or even opportunities for a turnover.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Not sure if this deserves its own thread, so putting it here. Apparently, Noah Gray had no previous experience snapping the ball before the game. Toub coached Noah on how to snap the ball on the sidelines, and to his credit, Noah figured it out well enough to adequately sub-in for Winchester after he injured his shoulder.


We have some great couches on this staff. Just saying.

That's pretty amazing. Also makes me wonder if we REALLY need to roster a LS long-term.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

That's pretty amazing. Also makes me wonder if we REALLY need to roster a LS long-term.

Dunno. My guess is that there's more to it than can be taught in a few minutes. But I think the great thing is, if Winchester goes down in an actual game, we have a guy that's done it before waiting in the wings, if necessary. Kind of like Justin Reid being able to kick a FG if necessary. Though I'd guess that if it really came down to that, they'd just have Creed do it in a real game.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

That's pretty amazing. Also makes me wonder if we REALLY need to roster a LS long-term.

Bring back Jared Allen?

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Dunno. My guess is that there's more to it than can be taught in a few minutes. But I think the great thing is, if Winchester goes down in an actual game, we have a guy that's done it before waiting in the wings, if necessary. Kind of like Justin Reid being able to kick a FG if necessary. Though I'd guess that if it really came down to that, they'd just have Creed do it in a real game.

Kelce is the backup LS.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

It goes to the 35 in that scenario.

Is that official? It was 30 for the start of the pre season, I know there was some talk about if it should be the 30 or the 35

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

That’s basically what Butker is doing with creating weird angles and bounces. Really low flat kicks are risky though because they are harder to control and they would be much more likely to land before the 20 yard line, which if that happens then the ball comes all the way out to the 40 yard line.

I'd call a zone 20 yards deep wider than the broad side of a barn

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chargem

I'd call a zone 20 yards deep wider than the broad side of a barn

Uh huh. Kicked a lot of kickoffs, have you?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Chargem

I'd call a zone 20 yards deep wider than the broad side of a barn

If the receiving team touches a kick in the air to knock it down before the 20/landing zone then the receiving team gets the ball at the 40 yard line. I think it’s just going to be too risky for teams to try flat and low hard kicks. It’s one of those things that if we don’t see it, it’s because teams have tried it in practice and found it unreliable. Maybe we will see it when a kicking team is looking for a higher potential reward late in a game, hoping for fumbles or misplays or something. Butker’s method of weird spin and placement would appear much more repeatable and reliable.