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Old 02-14-2024, 08:07 AM  
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Royals Announce New Ballpark in "The Heart of Downtown KC"

What do you guys think about the new ballpark?

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Old 03-27-2024, 10:22 AM   #361
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Sadly too many people in JACO will give in to their threats SEVEN YEARS BEFORE THE LEASE IS UP.

I'm a "no" vote if for no other reason than the team's performance, but I'd be a "no" vote because it's WAAAY to early to be having this conversation AND because you don't have to be an accountant to understand the numbers are a little too unbelievable. If they weren't complete BS we'd have done this exact thing last time they renovated the TSC.

But again, too many JACO voters are afraid of the team moving, even is only over to the Kansas side of the line.
I'm not sure who's afraid I live in Jackson County and a ton of people have no desire to pay for it.
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Old 03-27-2024, 10:23 AM   #362
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Suddenly they change the plans.....now Oak street will be open...

Perhaps the worst PR effort ever in the history of politics

This has every sign of failure and desperation by the pro forces and the Mayor is in hiding cause he knows the stain of failure will be on him


Today, the Committee to Keep the Chiefs and Royals in Jackson County released the following statement from Kansas City Royals Chairman and CEO John Sherman about the Crossroads ballpark proposal and the development around Oak Street:

“I want to thank Mayor Quinton Lucas for his leadership and tireless advocacy as we work to make the best possible ballpark district in downtown Kansas City,” said John Sherman, Chairman and CEO of the Kansas City Royals. “We have been listening to members of the Crossroads community and had thoughtful conversations with the Mayor and City Council to improve the ballpark district impact. Through these conversations we have come to realize the importance of keeping Oak Street open. We acknowledge Oak Street is an integral part of the downtown experience, and therefore we agree to change the ballpark district design to keep Oak Street open. We look forward to working with the Mayor and City Council to begin this joint effort.”

So they really dont have a real solid plan at all
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Old 03-27-2024, 10:24 AM   #363
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The Star cited the source of a definitive, evidence-based and unbiased examination that proves stadium projects like this are a net negative to the economic welfare of a city which pays for them. Not only that, this source and another expert looked specifically at the Sherman and Hunt proposal that says their projections are complete hokum.

There's naiveté and then there's choosing to be ignorant.
So, a media source that's been run through the mud in recent years as a propaganda machine for their own political agendas and editorial pieces, etc... reached out to these guys with zero knowledge of what their research would conclude (in other words, their 3rd party source have never published such findings on any other similar projects, it wasn't discussed beforehand, etc), then the Star was 100% going to publish the findings no matter the conclusion?

I'm sure The Pitch (do they even exist still?) or some other publication really wanting the Royals to be downtown could find 3rd party sources who completely agree with the economic boost theory, or at least agree enough... don't you think?

And I'm not even voting on it, obviously... if the Royals moved to Kansas, I'd give no ****s. If they moved away, it would be sad, but not life altering for myself at all..... and even on top of that, I'd lean towards agreeing the economic boost is overblown by the Royals, if not made up..... I'm just finding it amusing how you'd be bending over backwards to discredit such a piece if you disagreed with it, but this is 100% legit right here.
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Old 03-27-2024, 10:25 AM   #364
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Suddenly they change the plans.....now Oak street will be open...

Perhaps the worst PR effort ever in the history of politics

This has every sign of failure and desperation by the pro forces and the Mayor is in hiding cause he knows the stain of failure will be on him


Today, the Committee to Keep the Chiefs and Royals in Jackson County released the following statement from Kansas City Royals Chairman and CEO John Sherman about the Crossroads ballpark proposal and the development around Oak Street:

“I want to thank Mayor Quinton Lucas for his leadership and tireless advocacy as we work to make the best possible ballpark district in downtown Kansas City,” said John Sherman, Chairman and CEO of the Kansas City Royals. “We have been listening to members of the Crossroads community and had thoughtful conversations with the Mayor and City Council to improve the ballpark district impact. Through these conversations we have come to realize the importance of keeping Oak Street open. We acknowledge Oak Street is an integral part of the downtown experience, and therefore we agree to change the ballpark district design to keep Oak Street open. We look forward to working with the Mayor and City Council to begin this joint effort.”

So they really dont have a real solid plan at all
They never have, all this speaks to is cash grab, then when it inevitably costs a lot more than they projected they'll come back like a crackhead "I need a little bit more money"
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:20 AM   #365
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Jackson County voters should probably listen to the experts.
Just pretend that they're climate change experts or CDC immunologists. You should have no problem ignoring them then.
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:36 AM   #366
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They never have, all this speaks to is cash grab, then when it inevitably costs a lot more than they projected they'll come back like a crackhead "I need a little bit more money"
They've said any amount over the initial estimate would be paid out of their own pockets. It'd be a publicity nightmare if they went back on that and they know it.
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:38 AM   #367
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Suddenly they change the plans.....now Oak street will be open...

Perhaps the worst PR effort ever in the history of politics

This has every sign of failure and desperation by the pro forces and the Mayor is in hiding cause he knows the stain of failure will be on him


Today, the Committee to Keep the Chiefs and Royals in Jackson County released the following statement from Kansas City Royals Chairman and CEO John Sherman about the Crossroads ballpark proposal and the development around Oak Street:

“I want to thank Mayor Quinton Lucas for his leadership and tireless advocacy as we work to make the best possible ballpark district in downtown Kansas City,” said John Sherman, Chairman and CEO of the Kansas City Royals. “We have been listening to members of the Crossroads community and had thoughtful conversations with the Mayor and City Council to improve the ballpark district impact. Through these conversations we have come to realize the importance of keeping Oak Street open. We acknowledge Oak Street is an integral part of the downtown experience, and therefore we agree to change the ballpark district design to keep Oak Street open. We look forward to working with the Mayor and City Council to begin this joint effort.”

So they really dont have a real solid plan at all
Your obsession with Mayor Lewis is just so weird.
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:44 AM   #368
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There is absolutely no way this vote doesn't pass.

It's a done deal...because the Chiefs are also involved. Might not pass if it was Royals because nobody cares about the Royals. But Chiefs have Mahomes and Kelce in on marketing for this. It is passing.
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:44 AM   #369
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Who the **** gives a shit if they slightly modify their plans for Oak Street... isn't that a good thing?

Start building and block Oak St: OMG why didn't they think about this?!?

Change a plan after looking at it: OMG, what a mess!

...I'd love a job in an industry where projects never change course, even a tiny bit, lmk.
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:45 AM   #370
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It takes a lot of nerve for an organization as terrible as the Royals to ask for taxpayer dollars to be used to build a home for their shitty team.
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:50 AM   #371
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Suddenly they change the plans.....now Oak street will be open...

Perhaps the worst PR effort ever in the history of politics

This has every sign of failure and desperation by the pro forces and the Mayor is in hiding cause he knows the stain of failure will be on him


Today, the Committee to Keep the Chiefs and Royals in Jackson County released the following statement from Kansas City Royals Chairman and CEO John Sherman about the Crossroads ballpark proposal and the development around Oak Street:

“I want to thank Mayor Quinton Lucas for his leadership and tireless advocacy as we work to make the best possible ballpark district in downtown Kansas City,” said John Sherman, Chairman and CEO of the Kansas City Royals. “We have been listening to members of the Crossroads community and had thoughtful conversations with the Mayor and City Council to improve the ballpark district impact. Through these conversations we have come to realize the importance of keeping Oak Street open. We acknowledge Oak Street is an integral part of the downtown experience, and therefore we agree to change the ballpark district design to keep Oak Street open. We look forward to working with the Mayor and City Council to begin this joint effort.”

So they really dont have a real solid plan at all
Hopefully he mean McGee, not sure whats on Oak
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:56 AM   #372
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Gosh, those are really sad reasons not to revitalize your downtown.
The crossroads is the best area of town, it needs no revitalization, it is thriving with grass roots businesses and local entrepreneurs.

If revitalization is truly a goal then they picked the exact wrong spot to put the new stadium.
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:57 AM   #373
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Who the **** gives a shit if they slightly modify their plans for Oak Street... isn't that a good thing?

Start building and block Oak St: OMG why didn't they think about this?!?

Change a plan after looking at it: OMG, what a mess!

...I'd love a job in an industry where projects never change course, even a tiny bit, lmk.
When people have already voted on it in early voting and you are announcing things like that, it makes you look like you have no ****ing idea what you are doing.
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Old 03-27-2024, 12:00 PM   #374
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Who the **** gives a shit if they slightly modify their plans for Oak Street... isn't that a good thing?

Start building and block Oak St: OMG why didn't they think about this?!?

Change a plan after looking at it: OMG, what a mess!

...I'd love a job in an industry where projects never change course, even a tiny bit, lmk.
It is kind of a big deal. This shows me it was rushed with very little interaction with the City by the architects and royals. Abandonment of public right of way is not an easy process. Also even if that abandonment is approved it doesn't go to Sherman unless he is the sole owner of the properties adjacent to each side of the right-of-way centerline.
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Old 03-27-2024, 12:04 PM   #375
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They've said any amount over the initial estimate would be paid out of their own pockets. It'd be a publicity nightmare if they went back on that and they know it.
Economic transparency has been a problem all along. It is believed that the royals are well short after paying off their current debt and paying interest in new construction and will be asking Missouri taxpayers for another 700 million in addition to the tax.
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