HVAC cost

[Delano]

I’ve got a 135 ton Daikan going up on a roof next week for just north of 400k. Good deal fellas?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Delano

I’ve got a 135 ton Daikan going up on a roof next week for just north of 400k. Good deal fellas?

Daikan equipment are POS. Them and McQuay are the worst two manufacturers of large chillers bar none.

[VAChief]

Is it one zone (1 unit) or two zone (2 units)? It's a one zone that is definitely on the high side. It it's two zone it is on the very low side.

[alpha_omega]

Sounds high to me.

In '22: 2 Lennox ML180 Furnaces, 2 CX-35 Lennox Coils, 1 Lennox ML14XC1-024 Air Conditioner, 1 Lennox ML14XC1-030 Air Conditioner, 2 Thermostats, installation, and 1 year service.

It came in right at $15,5.

We looked at Carrier first, but it was too high...Lennox has been just fine.

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

I know prices have shot up since covid but still I got sticker shock on a quote to swap out AC and furnace. $16,500.

Carrier 3 ton 16 SEER AC, and 96% two stage 100k furnace plus thermostat and duct cleaning. 10 year parts 1 year labor, 20 years on heat exchangers.

High cost of living city. Is this the new normal? I know I need more quotes but this outfit has the best reputation for install and service.

Both existing 17 years old. AC is fine but furnace exchangers are cracked and prices will keep rising so doing both. Really appreciate the advice!

I work in HVAC sales, granted I'm not in KC, but central Missouri, so I would think labor costs would be similar. My 3 ton 18 SEER 2 stage AC with a 96% 2 stage furnace with variable speed blower is under 12k. We do a 17 SEER AC with a 93% furnace (all single stage, it's our budget system) for 10k. This is all Lennox equipment, so it's not "no name" garbage.

I'd say they're a bit high.

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

I work in HVAC sales, granted I'm not in KC, but central Missouri, so I would think labor costs would be similar. My 3 ton 18 SEER 2 stage AC with a 96% 2 stage furnace with variable speed blower is under 12k. We do a 17 SEER AC with a 93% furnace (all single stage, it's our budget system) for 10k. This is all Lennox equipment, so it's not "no name" garbage.

I'd say they're a bit high.

Wow perfect! Can you give me a sense of what the price difference would be for 14 SEER vs 17 on that AC?

Central MO will definitely be cheaper than out here, I'd guess at least 20 percent. Thanks so much!

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

Wow perfect! Can you give me a sense of what the price difference would be for 14 SEER vs 17 on that AC?

Central MO will definitely be cheaper, I'd guess at least 20 percent. Thanks so much!

Due to weird pricing from Lennox that 17 SEER is my cheapest unit, the 14 SEER actually costs about $400 more

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

Due to weird pricing from Lennox that 17 SEER is my cheapest unit, the 14 SEER actually costs about $400 more

Ah weird, thanks.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

I work in HVAC sales, granted I'm not in KC, but central Missouri, so I would think labor costs would be similar. My 3 ton 18 SEER 2 stage AC with a 96% 2 stage furnace with variable speed blower is under 12k. We do a 17 SEER AC with a 93% furnace (all single stage, it's our budget system) for 10k. This is all Lennox equipment, so it's not "no name" garbage.

I'd say they're a bit high.

Would you say a Lennox is significantly better than a pretty reliable brand like Goodman? I know they say Trane is better for coastal weather...

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Would you say a Lennox is significantly better than a pretty reliable brand like Goodman? I know they say Trane is better for coastal weather...

Goodman is kinda a weird example. They were bought out by Daikin a couple years ago. Daikin is huge in Europe & they redid some of Goodmans designs. Historically Goodman was known in the industry for being cut rate crap, but I'm not sure that's still true & haven't dealt with their equipment since the buyout as I don't run much service anymore.

Honestly if you stick with Trane, Lennox, Carrier you're usually going to be OK, anything else is a crapshoot in my experience.

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

I work in HVAC sales, granted I'm not in KC, but central Missouri, so I would think labor costs would be similar. My 3 ton 18 SEER 2 stage AC with a 96% 2 stage furnace with variable speed blower is under 12k. We do a 17 SEER AC with a 93% furnace (all single stage, it's our budget system) for 10k. This is all Lennox equipment, so it's not "no name" garbage.

I'd say they're a bit high.

SC, in sales, how much are you expected to negotiate with customers? Does your management give you much wiggle room on price? Trying to understand if this is supposed to be like buying a car where some haggling is expected. I'm not worried about 5-10 percent sort of thing, just trying not to pay 30 percent more.

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

SC, in sales, how much are you expected to negotiate with customers? Does your management give you much wiggle room on price? Trying to understand if this is supposed to be like buying a car where some haggling is expected. I'm not worried about 5-10 percent sort of thing, just trying not to pay 30 percent more.

I do have some wiggle room, but not much. We're pretty tight on margins & my jobs are tracked by profit so if I'm not making enough I won't get commission & if it happens enough I'm probably going to hear about it. If anything I'm usually adding to book prices to account for site issues. Generally speaking I only come down if there's some justification for it in the job. (like they don't need heat in their electric furnace so I can cut out the heat pack price)

The one thing I can recommend is if they offer financing ask if they do a cash discount. Despite what they tell you free financing isn't free, the company is paying for it & they're adding that cost onto your quote. If you aren't going to use the financing a lot of places will give you that money back if you know to ask for it.

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

I do have some wiggle room, but not much. We're pretty tight on margins & my jobs are tracked by profit so if I'm not making enough I won't get commission & if it happens enough I'm probably going to hear about it. If anything I'm usually adding to book prices to account for site issues. Generally speaking I only come down if there's some justification for it in the job. (like they don't need heat in their electric furnace so I can cut out the heat pack price)

The one thing I can recommend is if they offer financing ask if they do a cash discount. Despite what they tell you free financing isn't free, the company is paying for it & they're adding that cost onto your quote. If you aren't going to use the financing a lot of places will give you that money back if you know to ask for it.

Thanks so much for everything SC, super helpful!

[BWillie]

High powered fan + mister

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