Patrick Mahomes is now the overwhelming NFL MVP favorite

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Yet, Todd Bowles thought it was a good idea to throw single coverage at Tyreek Hill for most of the night.

Just saying...

I can't speak to execution per every DC. But in the pre-game presser Todd said everything every DC says about the Chiefs. "We gotta stop Mahomes from getting outside the pocket, we have to keep a lid on the big plays by Hill, Kelce and Hardman." Words to that effect. How he tried to do it was strange, but he knew who he needed to stop, which was my point.

I'm not saying that Spags didn't respect Tannehill, because I'm sure he did, but he knew that to make Tannehill just average he had to stop the run, so he had to stop Henry. He just didn't try to do it for an entire game, like everyone assumed he would. He did it to start the 2nd half. And kept doing it until we had a two score lead, then he focused on harassing Tannehill.

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

I can't speak to execution per every DC. But in the pre-game presser Todd said everything every DC says about the Chiefs. "We gotta stop Mahomes from getting outside the pocket, we have to keep a lid on the big plays by Hill, Kelce and Hardman." Words to that effect. How he tried to do it was strange, but he knew who he needed to stop, which was my point.

I'm not saying that Spags didn't respect Tannehill, because I'm sure he did, but he knew that to make Tannehill just average he had to stop the run, so he had to stop Henry. He just didn't try to do it for an entire game, like everyone assumed he would. He did it to start the 2nd half. And kept doing it until we had a two score lead, then he focused on harassing Tannehill.

Tannehill and Henry take Tennessee to the AFCCG. Mariota and Henry don't even make the playoffs. Who in those scenarios is the same and who is different? Don't get me wrong, Henry is a beast and dominated in the playoffs but that example shows why RBs don't win MVPs anymore .

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Tannehill and Henry take Tennessee to the AFCCG. Mariota and Henry don't even make the playoffs. Who in those scenarios is the same and who is different? Don't get me wrong, Henry is a beast and dominated in the playoffs but that example shows why RBs don't win MVPs anymore .

That's the question, and my answer is " I don't know." I haven't spent much time reviewing just who was on that team prior to Tannehill, either players or coaches so it's still up in the air, imo.

hell, I don't really care anyway. To me it's pretty simple: am I more scared of Henry or Tannehill? The answer is obviously Henry. Derrick Henry is exactly the kind of RB that the Chiefs aren't designed to stop efficiently. Not sure if any defense really is, but the Chiefs D isn't built to deal with 260-lb. fast RBs that are sneaky quick. Henry is an elite RB with homerun capability.

Tannehill is just an above average QB, a la Kirk Cousins or Jared Goff. Just not scary. And then take away Henry and make him pass more than run and he's really average-looking. Not a homerun hitter. More a contact hitter type. Heck, just re-watch the AFCCG 2nd half. Once we stuffed Henry and got a two score lead, Spags and the defense handled Tannehill pretty easily. He got 1 TD on a muffed coverage but other than that he was not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

That's the question, and my answer is " I don't know." I haven't spent much time reviewing just who was on that team prior to Tannehill, either players or coaches so it's still up in the air, imo.

hell, I don't really care anyway. To me it's pretty simple: am I more scared of Henry or Tannehill? The answer is obviously Henry. Derrick Henry is exactly the kind of RB that the Chiefs aren't designed to stop efficiently. Not sure if any defense really is, but the Chiefs D isn't built to deal with 260-lb. fast RBs that are sneaky quick. Henry is an elite RB with homerun capability.

Tannehill is just an above average QB, a la Kirk Cousins or Jared Goff. Just not scary. And then take away Henry and make him pass more than run and he's really average-looking. Not a homerun hitter. More a contact hitter type. Heck, just re-watch the AFCCG 2nd half. Once we stuffed Henry and got a two score lead, Spags and the defense handled Tannehill pretty easily. He got 1 TD on a muffed coverage but other than that he was not a big deal.

This was the middle of last year so the person was Henry and the person who was different was the QB. My argument is not to diminish Henry as he is elite. Its no surprise that Henry started to dominate at a higher level once they made a QB change. If they only had to game plan for Henry why the sudden surge in yards once the QB switch?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by tredadda

This was the middle of last year so the person was Henry and the person who was different was the QB. My argument is not to diminish Henry as he is elite. Its no surprise that Henry started to dominate at a higher level once they made a QB change. If they only had to game plan for Henry why the sudden surge in yards once the QB switch?

Wasn't week 10 2019 when TEN started running Henry more?

And wasn't Tannehill's record as a starter before that something like 2-2 before they turned Henry loose? And then they went 5-2 or something after Henry started running for 180 yds/game?

And didn't Tannehill throw for something like 160 yards through the first two playoff games last season? Combined? Something like 75 yards in the first game and 85 in the second game? And then in the AFCCG after we stoned Henry for less than 70 yds, didn't Tannehill throw for barely 200 yards and a single score in the second half?

I know, some of those numbers are off a bit because I'm doing this from memory, but pretty sure they're close.

Anyway, as I recall, before week 10 TEN tried the whole "let's be balanced" thing and then after week 10 they changed tack and went run the heck out of Henry. And Henry was averaging 180 yards a game. Carrying about 30 times a game? Maybe more?

Seems to me Henry was the reason TEN went 5-2 down the stretch not Tannehill. Insert a competent QB with Henry and TEN is dangerous. Take Henry away, like HOU and NOR did last season, only allowing Henry to run for about 180 yards combined between those two games, and let Tannehill try to win it with his arm, and TEN loses.

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn

Looks like he had 18 carries for 112 and a TD. That looks good to me.

Lol that's really good. People here are dumb as hell.