StarTrek: "Undiscovered Country" - best Trek movie of all time?

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Wrath of Khan was an amazing film and what was even more amazing was doing a Q&A with Nicholas Meyer after the first screening of the film back in 1982. The VFX weren't finished and there were a few scenes that needed to be re-shot but it was a really incredible experience.

My second favorite is First Contact. That movie took Trek lore to 11 and was a super fun movie to boot. Great casting all around, especially Zefram Cochrane.

I probably enjoyed IV and VI about the same although they're completely different in terms of tone.

The rest are "okay" although Generations is completely unwatchable for me, as are the other two TNG movies. The way they killed off Kirk was ridiculous and in no way, shape or form, honored the character, IMO.

I like Generations more than most, I guess. While I also didn't care for the way Kirk went out, and there were some ridiculous plot holes, it had a strong villain in Malcolm McDowall, and the Enterprise getting blasted to shit and then crashing was well done. I rank it above I and V. It's about on the same level with Nemesis, which is also overall kind of lame but has some good parts.

The one I hate the most is Insurrection. It was like a bad NG episode made into a movie. I remember being very unhappy as I left the theater.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I like Generations more than most, I guess. While I also didn't care for the way Kirk went out, and there were some ridiculous plot holes, it had a strong villain in Malcolm McDowall, and the Enterprise getting blasted to shit and then crashing was well done. I rank it above I and V. It's about on the same level with Nemesis, which is also overall kind of lame but has some good parts.

The one I hate the most is Insurrection. It was like a bad NG episode made into a movie. I remember being very unhappy as I left the theater.

McDowall is always great in everything but man, the way they treated Kirk was unconscionable to me.

As much as I hated the way Disney treated Luke Skywalker, I think the treatment of James T. Kirk was far worse.

My adrenaline is pumping right now, just thinking about it!

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Wrath of Khan was an amazing film and what was even more amazing was doing a Q&A with Nicholas Meyer after the first screening of the film back in 1982. The VFX weren't finished and there were a few scenes that needed to be re-shot but it was a really incredible experience.

My second favorite is First Contact. That movie took Trek lore to 11 and was a super fun movie to boot. Great casting all around, especially Zefram Cochrane.

I probably enjoyed IV and VI about the same although they're completely different in terms of tone.

The rest are "okay" although Generations is completely unwatchable for me, as are the other two TNG movies. The way they killed off Kirk was ridiculous and in no way, shape or form, honored the character, IMO.

I agree with this post 100%.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

I agree with this post 100%.

Hey, by chance, were you there at the Metcalf theater in 1982 when Nicholas Meyer screened the nearly completed Wrath of Khan?

I remember that it was in the larger of the two theaters there.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hey, by chance, were you there at the Metcalf theater in 1982 when Nicholas Meyer screened the nearly completed Wrath of Khan?

I remember that it was in the larger of the two theaters there.

Was that the old Glenwood theater? That screen was great.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Was that the old Glenwood theater? That screen was great.

No, the Glenwood was off of 91st and Metcalf while Metcalf Theater was on the backside of Metcalf Mall, where The Jones Store was the anchor tenant.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hey, by chance, were you there at the Metcalf theater in 1982 when Nicholas Meyer screened the nearly completed Wrath of Khan?

I remember that it was in the larger of the two theaters there.

No I was still in KC then but would get to see early screenings of The Karate Kid, Gremlins, and Ghostbusters at local KC theaters. Coincidentally, I watched a series of interviews and Q&As with Meyer on YouTube last weekend and learned that the original title for TWoK was The Undiscovered Country.

Edit: I see you are referencing KC theater. I didn’t see this but it was great loving movies in KC in the 80s. All the major film companies screened movies months in advance in KC back then.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

No I was still in KC then but would get to see early screenings of The Karate Kid, Gremlins, and Ghostbusters at local KC theaters. Coincidentally, I watched a series of interviews and Q&As with Meyer on YouTube last weekend and learned that the original title for TWoK was The Undiscovered Country.

That's cool! I'll have to check that out.

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Edit: I see you are referencing KC theater. I didn’t see this but it was great loving movies in KC in the 80s. All the major film companies screened movies months in advance in KC back then.

I was fortunate in that my Dad LOVED taking us to movies all the time, from the Glenwood to Metcalf Theaters to Ranch Mart and Oak Park. The Trailridge Theater on 75th and Nieman in Shawnee became a $1 dollar theater in my early teens so we'd often go there during the school week to catch a movie.

I realize that movie theaters are far nicer, have much better sound systems, larger screens, reclining chairs and so on but there was just something special about seeing movies in the 70's and 80's - probably because there was more anticipation and 90% less content available than today.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I realize that movie theaters are far nicer, have much better sound systems, larger screens, reclining chairs and so on but there was just something special about seeing movies in the 70's and 80's - probably because there was more anticipation and 90% less content available than today.

I 100% agree with this.

There was an atmosphere about going to the movies when I was a kid. I remember begging my parents to take me and my brother to the movie theater to see Star Wars, for example. When we got there, the line was out the door and all the way around the building. It was an event.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I 100% agree with this.

There was an atmosphere about going to the movies when I was a kid. I remember begging my parents to take me and my brother to the movie theater to see Star Wars, for example. When we got there, the line was out the door and all the way around the building. It was an event.

When Star Wars came out I lived in Jefferson City - the main theater there was the Ramada 4. It played there for a year and a half. They put "Star Wars" up over the door in big, blue wooden letters. They stayed there so long that when it finally stopped showing and they took the letters down, the paint had faded around them so you could still make out the words for another couple of years until they repainted.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's cool! I'll have to check that out.



I was fortunate in that my Dad LOVED taking us to movies all the time, from the Glenwood to Metcalf Theaters to Ranch Mart and Oak Park. The Trailridge Theater on 75th and Nieman in Shawnee became a $1 dollar theater in my early teens so we'd often go there during the school week to catch a movie.

I realize that movie theaters are far nicer, have much better sound systems, larger screens, reclining chairs and so on but there was just something special about seeing movies in the 70's and 80's - probably because there was more anticipation and 90% less content available than today.

Yep. The anticipation was high for most stuff. And a lot of us went in blind. Behind the scenes access wasn’t as available as today. About the only thing I remember reading was ‘Starlog’ magazine back in the 80s.