***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Wouldn't you rather just get it and get it over with at this point dude?

Not particularly.

I spend very little time around this person though. Even if they were positive I'm not sure it would impact me. The most time I spent around them in the last week was me standing in their doorway about 10 feet away from where they were sitting and we had maybe a 5 minute conversation. I had a KN95 mask on with a surgical mask over it during the conversation.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well that’s special...seriously good to hear

Mask ordinance, bars and gyms closed, and people staying in due to the heat.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by eDave

Mask ordinance, bars and gyms closed, and people staying in due to the heat.

Wasn't this framed as a bad thing not all that long ago?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by TLO

Wasn't this framed as a bad thing not all that long ago?

Yarp. Never agreed with that notion.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by TLO

Not particularly.

I spend very little time around this person though. Even if they were positive I'm not sure it would impact me. The most time I spent around them in the last week was me standing in their doorway about 10 feet away from where they were sitting and we had maybe a 5 minute conversation. I had a KN95 mask on with a surgical mask over it during the conversation.

No idea why you would be even slightly worried.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No idea why you would be even slightly worried.

I'm not particularly worried for myself, I'm worried about the high risk individuals they've been around. They're a nurse that sees some people that are already in pretty rough shape.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No idea why you would be even slightly worried.

The worry would come from having to quarantine for 2 weeks. Ugh

[TLO]

Originally Posted by loochy

The worry would come from having to quarantine for 2 weeks. Ugh

I doubt I'd have to quarantine given my lack of interaction with said person.

Or my work will just test everyone.

Better yet they'll test negative and this will all be moot.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by TLO

I doubt I'd have to quarantine given my lack of interaction with said person.

Or my work will just test everyone.

Better yet they'll test negative and this will all be moot.

Even if she was positive then most places wouldn't consider you as a contact since you were distanced, talked only for a short time, and were properly PPEd

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If you are under 60, yea you know the odds are next to zero. Im not the least bit afraid to get it and I will be 50 in less than a year.

Next to zero but could happen. My healthy 56 year old coworker fought for his life while many of the rest of us had mild/mod cases. What’s the reasoning for that?

Maybe TLO has some concerning conditions?

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by TLO

Not particularly.

I spend very little time around this person though. Even if they were positive I'm not sure it would impact me. The most time I spent around them in the last week was me standing in their doorway about 10 feet away from where they were sitting and we had maybe a 5 minute conversation. I had a KN95 mask on with a surgical mask over it during the conversation.

Likely not enough close contact.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Sure, because everyone knows whether they’ll be a mild or severe case.......

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If you are under 60, yea you know the odds are next to zero. Im not the least bit afraid to get it and I will be 50 in less than a year.

Originally Posted by lewdog

Next to zero but could happen. My healthy 56 year old coworker fought for his life while many of the rest of us had mild/mod cases. What’s the reasoning for that?

Maybe TLO has some concerning conditions?

That's the problem....possibility vs. probability.

It's possible to get really, really sick from something you typically would not. Like someone getting a mild case of the flu that for whatever reason turns into pneumonia and lands your ass in the hospital.

But generally speaking it is not probable.

We cannot live in fear of something just because it is possible when the probability of it is rather low.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's the problem....possibility vs. probability.

It's possible to get really, really sick from something you typically would not. Like someone getting a mild case of the flu that for whatever reason turns into pneumonia and lands your ass in the hospital.

But generally speaking it is not probable.

We cannot live in fear of something just because it is possible when the probability of it is rather low.

I agree. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take precautions or be concerned with exposure.

Marcellus said we should all just willingly “get it over with.” Yeah, that’s faulty thinking.

Keep all businesses open. Wear a mask and distance from others as much as possible. Limit your risk but still live life. Don’t just say **** it though. It’s too variable for why certain younger people are getting severe cases.

[JakeF]

Notre dame with 147 cases in the first 2 weeks of school.

They have stopped almost all in-class school programs.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Notre dame with 147 cases in the first 2 weeks of school.

They have stopped almost all in-class school programs.

Well duh. You're going to have cases. Not sure why they even open up if they can't live with that fact.