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Old 05-29-2020, 07:34 PM   #2
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Football was a lot different 50 years ago when Jack Steadman was running things... Lot less complicated...
And being a GM for one season when you have Mahomes, Reid, Kelce, Jones, Tyreek and others falling into your lap is a little different than the situations Carl Peterson and other Game found themselves in.
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Old 05-29-2020, 07:42 PM   #3
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And being a GM for one season when you have Mahomes, Reid, Kelce, Jones, Tyreek and others falling into your lap is a little different than the situations Carl Peterson and other Game found themselves in.
There's no doubt that he inherited a good team. But I would counter that Carl Peterson had 20 seasons to make over his roster, and he never won a Super Bowl. If you offered a good GM a 20 year window starting with a bad team, or a two year window starting with a good team, I'd think the 20 year window would have a better Super Bowl shot. Even if it takes five years to re-create the roster, you've then got 15 shots.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:35 PM   #4
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There's no doubt that he inherited a good team. But I would counter that Carl Peterson had 20 seasons to make over his roster, and he never won a Super Bowl. If you offered a good GM a 20 year window starting with a bad team, or a two year window starting with a good team, I'd think the 20 year window would have a better Super Bowl shot. Even if it takes five years to re-create the roster, you've then got 15 shots.
What did Veach do as a GM that is so impressive? And don't say drafting Mahomes because he didn't do that as a GM.

I think most of you are picking Veach because of the emotions of winning a SB. But if you look at it objectively he didnt build this SB winning team, he mostly inherited it. For me he's got to do more before I'm convinced he is as good as some of you think he is.

I hope he turns out to be amazing but I'm not convinced he's better then CP or Dorsey just yet.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:45 PM   #5
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What did Veach do as a GM that is so impressive? And don't say drafting Mahomes because he didn't do that as a GM.

I think most of you are picking Veach because of the emotions of winning a SB. But if you look at it objectively he didnt build this SB winning team, he mostly inherited it. For me he's got to do more before I'm convinced he is as good as some of you think he is.

I hope he turns out to be amazing but I'm not convinced he's better then CP or Dorsey just yet.
I would argue that the 2019 offseason was the best offseason I’ve seen since I started watching the Chiefs.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:55 PM   #6
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What did Veach do as a GM that is so impressive? And don't say drafting Mahomes because he didn't do that as a GM.

I think most of you are picking Veach because of the emotions of winning a SB. But if you look at it objectively he didnt build this SB winning team, he mostly inherited it. For me he's got to do more before I'm convinced he is as good as some of you think he is.

I hope he turns out to be amazing but I'm not convinced he's better then CP or Dorsey just yet.
I'd contend that the changes he made put us over the hump, and it was a big hump. Adding Frank and Tyrann and Mecole and Fenton and those other guys apparently took us from playoff contender to Super Bowl champions. That pretty much is the game-winning shot in my opinion.
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:01 PM   #7
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What did Veach do as a GM that is so impressive? And don't say drafting Mahomes because he didn't do that as a GM.

I think most of you are picking Veach because of the emotions of winning a SB. But if you look at it objectively he didnt build this SB winning team, he mostly inherited it. For me he's got to do more before I'm convinced he is as good as some of you think he is.

I hope he turns out to be amazing but I'm not convinced he's better then CP or Dorsey just yet.
Look at the list of key contributors that he brought in over the last two seasons:

Ward
Fenton
Mathieu
Clark
Wilson
Nnadi
Saunders
Suggs
Okafor
Ogbah
Breeland
Pennel
Watts
O’Daniel
Hardman
Wylie
Reiter
Williams
Watkins
Wisneiwski
Rankin

I’m sure I’m forgetting a few too
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