***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I know you think you're being clever but this is not nearly the same thing.

as the data changed so did your opinion on what was initially a guestimate on things that were out of your control.

sounds similar to me.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

you're gonna make me agree with Donger in which case you have essentially given me a bad case of hemorrhoids. But Donger is correct even though he is stating it wrongly. The rate of growth for new cases is declining.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

you're gonna make me agree with Donger in which case you have essentially given me a bad case of hemorrhoids. But Donger is correct even though he is stating it wrongly. The rate of growth for new cases is declining.

Donger is correct that we are now travelling towards a brick wall at a lesser speed than we were before.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Sorry, but the data actually collected shows a decline in new case growth. We can speculate all day, but why ignore the actual data that has been collected?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

as the data changed so did your opinion on what was initially a guestimate on things that were out of your control.

sounds similar to me.

Because my opinion on the chiefs had 0 impact to anything at all. The decision t move the goal posts here is actually impacting on a very massive scale on a multitude of fronts.

So like I said, I know you're trying to be clever but you really are not doing yourself any favors here.


Let me help you, what if the NFL said "well, Kansas City, we said you won the game against NE but since the game we saw there was a bad call made that prevented NE from getting a TE so instead of you getting the #2 seed we are going to give it to them even though you still are on record as winning the game"


See, that has impact. My opinion on whether or not we made the playoffs had no impact on anything other than my rep status.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think Elon has about 700 million reasons to oppose it

Did you watch his interview with Joe Rogan?

Dude seems very reasonable and genuine with his take on all of this.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The rate of growth for new cases is declining.

So it's subjectively going down.

'preciate you making my point for me. #outsourcing

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Because my opinion on the chiefs had 0 impact to anything at all. The decision t move the goal posts here is actually impacting on a very massive scale on a multitude of fronts.

So like I said, I know you're trying to be clever but you really are not doing yourself any favors here.


Let me help you, what if the NFL said "well, Kansas City, we said you won the game against NE but since the game we saw there was a bad call made that prevented NE from getting a TE so instead of you getting the #2 seed we are going to give it to them even though you still are on record as winning the game"


See, that has impact. My opinion on whether or not we made the playoffs had no impact on anything other than my rep status.

The humans who made those early decisions had to use multiple unknowns to make their call, you make it sounds it should have been easy.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Did you watch his interview with Joe Rogan?

Dude seems very reasonable and genuine with his take on all of this.

I've watched bits and pieces of it. He's eccentric for sure. But he's also tightly tied to China so it's hard for me to take much he says on this serious.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

So it's subjectively going down.

'preciate you making my point for me. #outsourcing

It isn't subjective. Based on the actual data, it is declining.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Dave Portnoy is a megachud moron who runs his business like a complete asshole.

He's also a huge pussy

I don't know him, but he seemed to also believe the same as most others.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've watched bits and pieces of it. He's eccentric for sure. But he's also tightly tied to China so it's hard for me to take much he says on this serious.

And Mark Cuban is thinking about running for President one day. Is it not hard to take what he says serious?

Just about everybody has their agenda.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He's not really someone I'd hold up as a guy you should listen too, people far more successful than him have opposing views, Mark Cuban for example.

Cuban nailed that whole 2016 election thing, but this isn't really something that it takes a genius to figure out either. We were sold a bill of goods and the goal post were moved.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

as the data changed so did your opinion on what was initially a guestimate on things that were out of your control.

sounds similar to me.

Here is the thing. Some are arguing it was ALWAYS the plan, not something that evolved.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Absolutely.

you argue both sides just to be a miserable ****, dont you?