The Last Dance

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by sedated

I don't think you can compare the NFL to other sports because of the way the contracts are setup. The NBA had no cap at the time. The NFL "taking less money" is just taking more guaranteed money to lower the cap number and has no effect on what the player is actually being paid.

False:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-ba...cash-earnings/

Tom Brady's Cash Earnings earlier this decade were $12 million, $13 million, $19 million, $13 million, $14 million, $15 million, $15 million and so on. He was a Super Bowl Winning QB during that time and was most certainly taking a discount.

Originally Posted by sedated

I can't think of an instance of a MLB or NBA player giving money back to a team so that they can pay another player. But if there is one, please do share.

Major League's Player Association is the strongest union in all of sports and has been that way since the 70's and the advent of free agency. Good to great players are traded all the time in order for teams to pay certain superstar players because they don't receive any monetary relief by cutting players due to the fact that all contracts are guaranteed.

If the NBA didn't have a cap, why was Jordan paid $36 million while Pippen, the 2nd best player in the NBA, had to settle for $2 million? It wasn't because the owner couldn't pay him, it's because the owner chose not to pay him and the NBA's Player Association at that time had very little power.

Originally Posted by sedated

MJ taking less would not have affected Pippen's contract. It wasn't because the Bulls were out of money or were up against the cap. They said "you signed it, you deal with it"

He didn't have to take less money but he could have threatened Reinsdorf, just like he threatened and bullied everyone else around him.

He choose not to, plain and simple.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

False:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-ba...cash-earnings/

Tom Brady's Cash Earnings earlier this decade were $12 million, $13 million, $19 million, $13 million, $14 million, $15 million, $15 million and so on. He was a Super Bowl Winning QB during that time and was most certainly taking a discount.



Major League's Player Association is the strongest union in all of sports and has been that way since the 70's and the advent of free agency. Good to great players are traded all the time in order for teams to pay certain superstar players because they don't receive any monetary relief by cutting players due to the fact that all contracts are guaranteed.

If the NBA didn't have a cap, why was Jordan paid $36 million while Pippen, the 2nd best player in the NBA, had to settle for $2 million? It wasn't because the owner couldn't pay him, it's because the owner chose not to pay him and the NBA's Player Association at that time had very little power.



He didn't have to take less money but he could have threatened Reinsdorf, just like he threatened and bullied everyone else around him.

He choose not to, plain and simple.

Name a player in any pro sport that has negotiated another player's contract?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Name a player in any pro sport that has negotiated another player's contract?

You're missing the point. Michael Jordan doesn't and didn't give a shit about anyone else but him. Not his teammates. Not his wife. Not anyone.

He was a narcissistic asshole, plain and simple. No one else mattered.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're missing the point. Michael Jordan doesn't and didn't give a shit about anyone else but him. Not his teammates. Not his wife. Not anyone.

He was a narcissistic asshole, plain and simple. No one else mattered.

But you're saying, or have been saying, that somehow it was Jordan's fault that Pippen wasn't getting paid more than his paltry $2 million. that he should've "stood up for Pippen."

And I saying, why would he do that?

Has anything like that ever happened? Did Bird go to Celtics management and say, "hey I think 'X' should get more money?"

Did Magic intervene for Worthy or whoever?

Did Tom Brady intercede on Moss' behalf at contract time?

Pretty sure the answer is "no."

So why on Earth should Jordan have ever "gone to bat" for Pippen about his contract?

You seem to expect that Jordan should've done something that no other player ever did in the history of pro sports. As much as I always loved Pippen, I never once thought anything but "he ****ed himself." He signed a deal that wasn't in his best interests long-term, even after his own management told him not to take it.

That's on Pippen and Jerrys Krause/Reindorf. Jordan was never a part of that deal.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

But you're saying, or have been saying, that somehow it was Jordan's fault that Pippen wasn't getting paid more than his paltry $2 million. that he should've "stood up for Pippen."

I never once said it was his "fault", I said he didn't do anything about it, didn't care and was fine with it.

Big difference.

Jordan didn't give a flying **** about anyone but himself.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I never once said it was his "fault", I said he didn't do anything about it, didn't care and was fine with it.

Big difference.

Jordan didn't give a flying **** about anyone but himself.

I think you're reaching here. Jordan wasn't Pippen's keeper.

I get it now, though. You hate Jordan. Whatever.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're missing the point. Michael Jordan doesn't and didn't give a shit about anyone else but him. Not his teammates. Not his wife. Not anyone.

He was a narcissistic asshole, plain and simple. No one else mattered.

Said it for years, Jordan was lucky he was in the era of the highlight. In the era of social media he would have been destroyed.