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Old 11-23-2019, 01:05 AM  
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Chiefs trade WR Sammy Watkins to Arizona for a 2020 4th round pick and conditional 4th round pick in 2021. If Emmanuel Sanders and a 5th can get a 3rd and 4th round return, I think a younger Watkins has decent value. The Cards will need a receiver and Watkins' cap space is needed in KC.

Chiefs franchise, then trade DT Chris Jones to Miami for their 2nd round pick in 2020, their 3rd round pick in 2021 and CB Cordrea Tankersley. I don't think KC will get as much for Jones as they probably deserve so it'll be a bit of give and take. The Chiefs gave me some confidence in trading Jones when he was out. I think they can pry away Tankersley in a trade with Miami given he was benched before tearing his ACL last year and now is finally coming back. He showed promise as a rookie and Veach likes reclamation projects.

Chiefs cut OT Cam Erving, SS Daniel Sorensen, P Dustin Colquitt

Chiefs sign the following free agents:
DT A'Shawn Robinson (DET) to a 5-year, $57.5 million deal (mirrors Star Lotuleilei's but time adjusted) with $21.0 million guaranteed and a $15 million signing bonus. Estimated 2020 salary is $7.75 million. Robinson doesn't have the pass rush prowess of Jones, but he's a better run defender and can still get some pressure. The plus is Robinson should be much cheaper than Jones and at the same time shore up the leaky run defense.

OL Graham Glasgow (DET) to a 4-year, $28.0 million deal (similar to Billy Turner and Zach Fulton) with $9.0 million signing bonus and approximate year 1 salary of $6.0 million. Glasgow isn't an All-Pro caliber player but he's rock-solid everywhere he lines up (all 3 interior spots).

DB Jimmy Ward (SF) to a 1-year, $2.0 million deal with $1.0 million guaranteed. Ward is a bit of a Swiss Army knife but his problem is getting knicked up. He's a solid nickel when healthy and that usually means limiting his snaps. He should come at a discount.

SS Darian Thompson (DAL) to a 1-year, $1.5 million deal with $500k guarannteed. Thompson is a solid reserve safety that does a good job coming down in run support.

Chiefs re-sign/extend the following players:
QB Patrick Mahomes - Exercise 5th-year option, then sign him to a 4-year extension for $152 million with $67 million guaranteed and a $27.5 million signing bonus and $33.0 million 2021 option bonus. Estimated 2020 salary is $8.76 million (+3.5 million). (Underlined for emphasis for Direkshun. )

CB Bashaud Breeland - Re-sign to 3-year $30.0 million deal (similar to Logan Ryan and Prince Amukamara) with $11.5 million guaranteed and a $4.5 million signing bonus and a $3.0 million roster bonus that guarantees the 5th day of the 2021 league year. Estimated 2020 salary is $8.50 million.

DE Emmanuel Ogbah - Re-sign to a 3-year $18.0 million deal (mirrors Alex Okafor's deal) with a $6.0 million bonus.

WR Demarcus Robinson - Re-sign to a 2-year $5.0 million deal (similar to Chris Conley deal) with a $1.0 million bonus and estimated 1st year of $2.3 million

Chiefs ERFA tender TE Deon Yelder, LG Andrew Wylie, WR Marcus Kemp
Chiefs sign to minimum deals QB Matt Moore, S Jordan Lucas, DT Mike Pennel

Deals, after the rollover, leave Chiefs at approximately $6.5 million in cap space.

Draft

1. CB Bryce Hall, Virginia (6'1" 200)
The Chiefs have lacked a blue-chip corner since they shipped off Marcus Peters (not such a bad decision in retrospect) and should at least find a guy that strikes some fear into a opponents. Hall is a big, fluid corner with outstanding awareness and ball skills as well as solid tackling ability, but lacks the elite top-end speed to be a top-10 pick.

2 (f/MIA). RB J.K. Dobbins, Ohio State (5'10" 215)
The Chiefs should very well take note from the Packers on how to help your superstar QB and that's by showing a re-committment to running the football. Dobbins is a do-it-all back with the power to plow through the interior, the speed to take it outside, breakaway ability, amazing balance, and is a good receiver and pass blocker to boot. Dobbins is as good of an all-around back as you'll find in this draft.

2 (f/SF). DE Kenny Willekes, Michigan State (6'4" 260)
The Chiefs pass rush has been a bit lackluster with Frank Clark underperforming and the injury to Emmanuel Ogbah. Frank Okafor has been a disappointment and Kpass is a spot contributor, so the Chiefs just need more juice. Willekes is a bit undersized (with room to fill out), but he makes up for it with great quickness, play recognition, and hand usage. He reminds me alot of Yannick Ngakoue, who has been productive in Jacksonville's scheme and has developed alot more upper body strength since coming into the league.

3. LB Zack Baun, Wisconsin (6'3" 240)
The Chiefs lack depth and starting ability at linebacker so they need to do something to address it moving forward. Baun reminds me a bunch of Joe Schobert in that he doesn't quite have the size nor power to play the edge in the NFL but he has outstanding lateral agility, a good backpedal, plays good fundamental football and is extremely adept in zone coverage. Once again I find myself touting a tweener Wisconsin linebacker to convert.

4. (f/ARZ). TE Harrison Bryant, Florida Atlantic (6'6" 240)
The Chiefs' stable of tight ends behind Kelce is problematic with Blake Bell and Deon Yelder only each having 3 catches to this point in the season (Yikes!). While I really like Brycen Hopkins, there is some chatter out there about him being a potential 1st rounder or at least a high 2nd rounder. I don't know that the Chiefs can afford to invest that heavily in a guy to sit behind Kelce. I like Bryant quite a bit but he's thin. He runs well, he finds soft spots in zones, and he gives great effort as a blocker most of the time. He just needs to add about 25 pounds to his frame.

4. WR Kalija Lipscomb, Vanderbilt (6'1" 200)
The Chiefs probably need to trade Watkins and bringing back Robinson could be a matter of price (although I have him coming back cheap). Lipscomb has good speed and quickness, runs good routes to gain separation, has solid size and has reliable hands but needs to eliminate the stutter step at the start of his route. That said, Lipscomb has been productive with a terrible QB. The Chiefs continue rebuilding at receiver, piggy-backing off of drafting Hardman last year.

5. OL Matt Peart, UConn (6'5" 300)
The Chiefs could use a swing tackle and Peart looks the part with his athleticism. He also has the ability to swing inside to guard where he has experience, but may need some strength development.

QB: Mahomes, Moore, Shurmur
RB: Dobbins, Williams, Williams, Thompson
FB: Lovett
WR: Hill, Hardman, Robinson, Pringle, Lipscomb, Thompson
TE: Kelce, Bryant, Yelder
OL: Fisher, Rankins, Glasgow, Duvernay-Tardif, Schwartz, Reiter, Wylie, Allegretti, Peart
DE: Clark, Okafor, Ogbah, Kpassagnon, Willekes
DT: Robinson, Nnadi, Saunders, Pennel, Speaks
LB: Wilson, Hitchens, Baun, Niemann, O'Daniel
CB: Breeland, Hall, Ward, Tankersley, Ward, Fenton
S: Mathieu, Thornhill, Thompson, Watts, Lucas
ST: Butker, Some UDFA Punter, Winchester

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Old 11-29-2019, 04:06 AM   #46
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Which fatty lines up at corner
It's all dependent who's available and attainable in FA, if KC can get badass interior OL or RB then it will absolutely change draft needs.

As of now positional value at OL and RB has shot up because of Mahomes.

Interior OL and RB would be considered bargain bin shopping if Patrick didn't get injured and missed games.

KC needs to lighten the workload if KC wants to make legitimate runs for the SB since PMII isn't as durable as Favre when Brett played.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:54 AM   #47
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Which fatty lines up at corner
Ward, Fenton, and bring Breeland and/or Claiborne back.

OR similar 2nd tier depth.

Secondary has played pretty well.

I think LB and OL are biggest needs at the moment.

that said, I believe in drafting corners every year, so however it falls.

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Old 11-29-2019, 12:49 PM   #48
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I really don't think Reid makes wholesale changes on the offensive line. It's not his MO. Will they likely draft an interior lineman relatively early? I think it's probable. Even then, there's no guarantee he starts. Will he draft 3 with limited picks (sans a significant trade)? I find that highly doubtful. I'd assume Rankin and LDT will be the guards next year and that Center is the most likely change. Reid also doesn't tend to burn first-rounders on offensive lineman so I'd probably put the thoughts of a guy like Biadasz to bed.

I have a different thought process I'm going to throw out there for you guys in short order, even if it's a bit overzealous in terms of free agent availability. Just throwing shit out there for discussion at this point though.
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Old 11-29-2019, 03:40 PM   #49
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Ward, Fenton, and bring Breeland and/or Claiborne back.

OR similar 2nd tier depth.

Secondary has played pretty well.

I think LB and OL are biggest needs at the moment.

that said, I believe in drafting corners every year, so however it falls.
Breeland sucks butt and Claiborne hasn't been great either. **** that shit.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:02 PM   #50
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Breeland sucks butt and Claiborne hasn't been great either. **** that shit.
Fuller? He should be cheaper considering his injury history.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:07 PM   #51
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Fuller? He should be cheaper considering his injury history.
He sucks ass too.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:09 PM   #52
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He sucks ass too.
So your plan is drafting one? That only gives us 3.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:11 PM   #53
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So your plan is drafting one? That only gives us 3.
Absolutely. I'd probably double up at the position actually and trash can dig around for another to put it up to 6.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:36 PM   #54
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Absolutely. I'd probably double up at the position actually and trash can dig around for another to put it up to 6.
I don't think any of them have been all that bad compared to our coverage linebackers.
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Old 11-29-2019, 08:42 PM   #55
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I don't think any of them have been all that bad compared to our coverage linebackers.
Because our linebackers are literally aids doesn't mean the Chiefs have a good CB situation. It just means there's an even worse position.
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Old 12-02-2019, 02:37 PM   #56
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Because our linebackers are literally aids doesn't mean the Chiefs have a good CB situation. It just means there's an even worse position.
And when you have finite resources to fill holes, it absolutely means that the AIDS needs to be addressed before the sprained thumb.

Yeah, I'd like to see the CB position improved, but our secondary has played damn well this year with little more than Ward, Breeland and a rotating cast of complementary DBs. They're making it work and pretty well.

Meanwhile, the LBs are getting wrecked. And the IOL is as well.

If you're looking at areas that need immediate improvement and are basing it on the actual performance on the field (and not name cache/flashiness) then I don't see how you can say CB is anywhere near the top of the list of needs.

By strictly a review of how the respective units have performed so far this season, I'd say CB ranks near the lowest in terms of concern.
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Old 12-02-2019, 02:49 PM   #57
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And when you have finite resources to fill holes, it absolutely means that the AIDS needs to be addressed before the sprained thumb.

Yeah, I'd like to see the CB position improved, but our secondary has played damn well this year with little more than Ward, Breeland and a rotating cast of complementary DBs. They're making it work and pretty well.

Meanwhile, the LBs are getting wrecked. And the IOL is as well.

If you're looking at areas that need immediate improvement and are basing it on the actual performance on the field (and not name cache/flashiness) then I don't see how you can say CB is anywhere near the top of the list of needs.

By strictly a review of how the respective units have performed so far this season, I'd say CB ranks near the lowest in terms of concern.
Well we only have two CBs under contract next season. So I wouldn’t rank it super low.
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Old 12-02-2019, 04:36 PM   #58
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Well we only have two CBs under contract next season. So I wouldn’t rank it super low.
Sure - but I don't figure we'll let all 3 of the guys we have on hand walk.
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:01 AM   #59
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So, Mizzou fans, is Albert O gonna be there in the 2nd for the Chiefs?
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:19 AM   #60
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So, Mizzou fans, is Albert O gonna be there in the 2nd for the Chiefs?
Albert O might last until the 4th.

He hurt his draft stock badly this year. Terrible drops and looked completely disinterested for huge chunks of the season.

He went from looking like a possible 1st round pick prior to the season to a guy who may have just been a creation of his quarterback. I don't think he'll go undrafted or anything, but if he doesn't test really well, a slide to the 3rd day is a distinct possibility.

He was flat out bad this year.
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