The case for Rex Ryan as new DC

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by D2112

He took over the number one defense in Buffalo in 2014. How were the stats in 2015 and 2016 after he took over?

Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you

Is he built for the new NFL?

The new NFL is built on fast offenses. Ryan's front 3 is built on space eaters instead of DTs that collapse the pocket. He doesn't use his edge rushers well. Quick DT and edge rush pressure is crucial in today's league. He uses tons of exotic blitzes which might not be realistic in a quick offense (and has it ever worked without Revis)? He's dime-heavy which as we saw through Sutton really struggled with the new emphasis on PI & def holding. And 3-4 defenses are adding a ton of speed to their ILBs to account for the spread which isn't a signature of his defense either. And arguably defenses these days need to attack vs. the complicated read and react Ryan's been criticized for these days.

Can he adapt his scheme to the new NFL? Didn't seem that way in Buffalo. But yeah, he's a good enough coach and mind that if he can, I'm all for it. But those things worry the hell out of me.

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you

I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. They completely switched defensive fronts and that can take a few years.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. They completely switched defensive fronts and that can take a few years.

it CAN, if you're stuck with the same personnel.

We're literally in a moment in which we need to either pay a ton of money to keep guys we have, or free up enough money to go get guys we need.

This is literally the best time to make a switch, if they want to make it. pros and cons either way.

But you cut Houston and Berry June 1 and you can afford to get guys to fit your schematic changes, whatever they may be if you want to.

If not, and you keep them and pay Ford, you're running out of money quick to upgrade.