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Old 01-22-2019, 03:46 PM   #2
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Well the stats don't lie when that talent doesn't get replaced or developed Ryan/Sutton's defenses take a nose dive. The scheme gets carried by all pro veterans. If you're asking a group of young guys to carry it or develop in it, it's terrible (Literally this year for the Chiefs for example.)
That’s any defense though. Better players is going to mean better performance when all other factors (such as the DC) remain the same.

Someone else can run an offense similar to Andy Reid’s but that doesn’t mean they’re going to call games in the same manner or more importantly motivate players in the same way.

When have you ever heard someone say they loved playing for Bob Sutton or that he bred fire and confidence for a defense? We never have. And it shows on the field.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:10 PM   #3
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That’s any defense though. Better players is going to mean better performance when all other factors (such as the DC) remain the same.

Someone else can run an offense similar to Andy Reid’s but that doesn’t mean they’re going to call games in the same manner or more importantly motivate players in the same way.

When have you ever heard someone say they loved playing for Bob Sutton or that he bred fire and confidence for a defense? We never have. And it shows on the field.
It's actually not just any defense though.

Cowboys had to completely change their defense because they knew their guys weren't developing under Rod Marinelli's outdated scheme, who you guessed it, road the coat tails of a talented early 00s Bucs defense no different than what Ryan/Sutton did with the Ravens/Jets.

Same thing is literally happening in KC.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:14 PM   #4
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It's actually not just any defense though.

Cowboys had to completely change their defense because they knew their guys weren't developing under Rod Marinelli's outdated scheme, who you guessed it, road the coat tails of a talented early 00s Bucs defense no different than what Ryan/Sutton did with the Ravens/Jets.

Same thing is literally happening in KC.
You have no clue what you are talking about...

Cowboys didn't completely change their defense. They just hit the jack pot when it came to draft picks.

Give me ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense would be miles different.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:22 PM   #5
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You have no clue what you are talking about...

Cowboys didn't completely change their defense. They just hit the jack pot when it came to draft picks.

Give me ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense would be miles different.
We literally just paid 45 million for ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense was absolutely terrible.
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We literally just paid 45 million for ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense was absolutely terrible.
Don't compare Hitchens to Sean Lee/ Jaylon Smith / The Dutchman.......


Hitchens was the WORST of that group. Not saying he is horrible. But common
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Don't compare Hitchens to Sean Lee/ Jaylon Smith / The Dutchman.......


Hitchens was the WORST of that group. Not saying he is horrible. But common
Okay so you want TWO Cowboys LBers then.

Hint: Two of those Cowboys LBers in the Ryan/Sutton scheme and this defense will STILL be terrible.
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You have no clue what you are talking about...

Cowboys didn't completely change their defense. They just hit the jack pot when it came to draft picks.

Give me ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense would be miles different.
Hitchens?

(Which was a beast in Dallas when he was healthy)
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Hitchens?

(Which was a beast in Dallas when he was healthy)
And he was a WLB in Dallas 4-3........ His success in or uniform is about who he is lined up next to.

We need a REAL MLB who can shoot gaps and eat blocks, not Ragland. Hitchens looked good because he played next to Sean Lee he was there for cleanup not to be the first there
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