***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I don't have access to that data either.

What is curious is that we get this constant doom and gloom on hospital capacity when they are doing things like this in Massachusetts.

Shouldn't they be adding capacity in the middle of a deadly pandemic?

Seems like you're trying to plug in an agenda instead of plugging in some common sense.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

More than half the country is vaccinated now, and Massachusetts has one of the highest rates in the country. Good for them.

They removed the capacity prior to the vaccines.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

What lock downs? We had a short one in Kansas, but nothing since.

Where do you live that you have lock downs right now?

Your vaccine mandate is a falsehood, or misnomer at best. The exemptions are broad and people can do testing instead.

Read the thread. I posted it when it was announced. The exemptions aren't broad if you are a government employee or work for a company that has government contracts.
Unless that has changed then you are very misinformed.

[Red Beans]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

What lock downs? We had a short one in Kansas, but nothing since.

Where do you live that you have lock downs right now?

Your vaccine mandate is a falsehood, or misnomer at best. The exemptions are broad and people can do testing instead.

By lock-downs, he means the temporary closures of his favorite shitty watering holes and his inability to drink $2 Hamms beer and to pull scabies infested meth-snatch by offering a few key bumps in the backseat of his 87 Mustang.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Read the thread. I posted it when it was announced. The exemptions aren't broad if you are a government employee or work for a company that has government contracts.
Unless that has changed then you are very misinformed.

So everyone is a government employee? Also, the exemptions are broad enough even for gov employees. You are just being dramatic.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

They removed the capacity prior to the vaccines.

Mmhmm… and why would “they” remove ICU capacity?


Take your time…

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

So everyone is a government employee? Also, the exemptions are broad enough even for gov employees. You are just being dramatic.

Do you realize how many companies have government contracts?

Not being dramatic when I work for a company that has government contracts.

There is no weekly testing option.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Do you realize how many companies have government contracts?

Not being dramatic when I work for a company that has government contracts.

There is no weekly testing option.

Perhaps your company just decided to make the gov the bad guy and push it on their employees. They probably figure the ones not worth keeping will leave over it.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Mmhmm… and why would “they” remove ICU capacity?


Take your time…

Answering a question with the same question.

Interesting approach.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Answering a question with the same question.

Interesting approach.

It's ironic that so much of this is about how people don't want others thinking and making choices for them, so they'll do their own research, yet you're wanting us to think for you on this one.

(and I assume you're just baiting for answers that comply with whatever weird conclusion or conspiracy you've come up with, despite several far more logical conclusions)

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

They removed the capacity prior to the vaccines.

I'm not going to check the data, so let's run with this as stated by this guy. What's your theory?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

It's ironic that so much of this is about how people don't want others thinking and making choices for them, so they'll do their own research, yet you're wanting us to think for you on this one.

(and I assume you're just baiting for answers that comply with whatever weird conclusion or conspiracy you've come up with, despite several far more logical conclusions)

You're the one still living in the "2 weeks to slow the spread" paradigm so I wanted to know your thoughts on why hospitals were cutting capacity to this degree in the middle of a deadly pandemic.

Looks like you don't have an answer and that's fine.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

231 million cases

4.7 million deaths


If you have to ask this after a year of lockdowns and vaccine mandates I don't know what to tell you.

People have been very tolerant and patient with you but it's been obvious for weeks now that you're shit posting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm not going to check the data, so let's run with this as stated by this guy. What's your theory?

I don't work in the medical field but the answers people gave directly in the thread sounded reasonable.


Reduced elective surgeries, hospitals cutting staff.


At the end of the day, whatever the collective reasons for reducing capacity the media has never mentioned these reductions and instead screamed about how we were close to the edge here and there over and over.

Seems like if hospital capacity was a national issue blinking red it was something the Federal government and states could have fixed by now if they wanted to.

But it does feel better to roll out fake stories about people overdosing on Ivermectin and crowding hospitals then the reality.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

You're the one still living in the "2 weeks to slow the spread" paradigm so I wanted to know your thoughts on why hospitals were cutting capacity to this degree in the middle of a deadly pandemic.

Looks like you don't have an answer and that's fine.

You are one of the people here that read articles and watch videos and think you are doing research. All you are doing is reading or watching. That is not research.

No one here is doing actual research.