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Old 11-11-2024, 10:49 AM   #1996
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Old 11-11-2024, 10:53 AM   #1997
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Sucks is a little far I would say Tox, he’s still playing top 10 QB level.

But compared to 2018-2022…. Yeah, it’s annoying.

He’s basically playing Alex Smith ball. Overprotective of the football even though most his turnovers this year I think are because defenses are able to trigger downhill so easily without fear of the explosive play.

Of course he could just do what he did in the playoffs and more or less flip a switch. I’d much prefer see it sooner however.

JuJu and Hollywood would help.
No. Sucks is a fine word. Maybe not one we'd ever want to use for our savior, but it is what it is.

We're more than halfway through the season and he has 12TD's and 9 Int's and has missed on big plays every single week.

It's suck. What makes it frustrating is that it's hard to understand why because we know what he's capable of.
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Old 11-11-2024, 10:55 AM   #1998
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No. Sucks is a fine word. Maybe not one we'd ever want to use for our savior, but it is what it is.

We're more than halfway through the season and he has 12TD's and 9 Int's and has missed on big plays every single week.

It's suck. What makes it frustrating is that it's hard to understand why because we know what he's capable of.
Ok, he sucks compared to what he’s capable of. But you don’t get to 9-0 with genuine suck QB play.

He needs to be better and I have every reason to think he will be when we need it.
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I mean fair.

I'm just not gonna spend extra time ripping on Mahomes. Literally all we can do is wait and hope that it gets better.
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Ok, he sucks compared to what he’s capable of. But you don’t get to 9-0 with genuine suck QB play.

He needs to be better and I have every reason to think he will be when we need it.
12TD's and 9 Ints while air mailing TD's on a weekly basis would be total suckage for any QB not named Mahomes.

He's been clutch. And i agree, i think/hope he turns it on when it matters the most.

But i'd bet $2K that Mahomes himself thinks he's been relatively suck this year.
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I mean fair.

I'm just not gonna spend extra time ripping on Mahomes. Literally all we can do is wait and hope that it gets better.
I agree, but im tired of holding it in.

Again, it's the elephant in the room right now. It's time to stop ignoring it.
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Mahomes sucks this year.

Whatever. Flame me. It is what it is. And he's been regressing on a yearly basis.

Tired of ignoring the elephant in the room. He needs to be better. Period. Stop blaming protections and WR's and coverages. He ****ing sucks this year.
"The protection is why he's jumpy!!"

Did you see the absolute SHOT that Kyler Murray took this week? Some guy came off the edge just completely untouched and hit Murray so hard directly through the back of him that his helmet flew off and rolled 10 yards. It was a 90s era QB demolition.

2 plays later he stood in against pressure and threw an absolute dime to McBride to keep the drive going.

Guys, QBs get hit and oftentimes they get hit pretty damn hard. I've NEVER seen Mahomes take the kind of shot Murray took there. And Murray shook it off.

Mahomes is gonna get hit some. We need to accept that. So does he.

He left 15 points on the field yesterday. At least. And yes, he was responsible for one very good play to Perine (and had another couple solid ones in there as well) but like I said, that's just the NFL game now. If your QB can't make a handful of those plays every game, your QB needs to be replaced.

What is presently separating the good from the great isn't the ability to make those plays off script. What it is right now is the willingness to stand in there and rip the ball into tight windows that open up in these zone concepts that everyone's running.

Mahomes wasn't doing that yesterday. He was tentative from the opening snap. Folks wanna blame Kingsley but Mahomes was tentative on the first couple drives when Morris was in there as well.

He just wasn't sharp. It was a step backwards from what we've seen the last couple of weeks.

But the lights are gonna be bright against Buffalo next week and I'm fairly confident he'll be just fine.

But you know what turned Aaron Rodgers into this version of him? A decade of people saying everything that went wrong was someone else's fault. If you want to avoid that sort of thing, when games like yesterday happen, you HAVE to be willing to tell your guy - as great as he is - that he was bad.

Because yesterday Mahomes was bad.
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I agree, but im tired of holding it in.

Again, it's the elephant in the room right now. It's time to stop ignoring it.
I guess I just don't understand how this solves anything.

Alright cool, Mahomes has sucked, we've identified the problem. ...now what?

Does Andy need to yell at Mahomes more, or someone needs to shove him on the sideline to wake him up? Will the coaching staff read this thread and print it off for Mahomes to read to get his mojo back?

Idk, maybe some of you guys need to shout into the void, which is fine. I just don't see what this solves. Verbally ripping Mahomes a new asshole on a Chiefs board contributes 0% to him getting better.
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I guess I just don't understand how this solves anything.

Alright cool, Mahomes has sucked, we've identified the problem. ...now what?

Does Andy need to yell at Mahomes more, or someone needs to shove him on the sideline to wake him up? Will the coaching staff read this thread and print it off for Mahomes to read to get his mojo back?

Idk, maybe some of you guys need to shout into the void, which is fine. I just don't see what this solves. Verbally ripping Mahomes a new asshole on a Chiefs board contributes 0% to him getting better.
What does any conversation ever had on this board 'solve'?

If "this dialogue needs to fundamentally alter the direction of the Chiefs" is your metric for viable posting, I think you're probably doing it wrong...
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What does any conversation ever had on this board 'solve'?

If "this dialogue needs to fundamentally alter the direction of the Chiefs" is your metric for viable posting, I think you're probably doing it wrong...
I mean you can post whatever you want, I'm not a moderator lol. It mostly confuses me.

Like the thought of "I'm tired of holding it in! I need to let the world know the cold hard truth!"

Like if it's just blowing some steam i guess thats fine. I personally just don't get it, but whatever works for you guys.
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I mean you can post whatever you want, I'm not a moderator lol. It mostly confuses me.

Like the thought of "I'm tired of holding it in! I need to let the world know the cold hard truth!"

Like if it's just blowing some steam i guess thats fine. I personally just don't get it, but whatever works for you guys.
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"I'm holding it in..." as in, the conversation has gone long enough with out some talk about what needs remedied.

It's a football forum. We're here to talk about football. No one is under the assumption that our conversation here will change anything at 1 Arrowhead dr.

And you know what? This probably IS the conversation they're having at practice.

You think the Chiefs, Reid and Mahomes aren't aware of it?

If WE'RE talking about it, you can bet your ass they've BEEN talking about it.

So we can see it, and they can talk about it....but we can't talk about it on the internet? C'mon now.
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But you know what turned Aaron Rodgers into this version of him? A decade of people saying everything that went wrong was someone else's fault. If you want to avoid that sort of thing, when games like yesterday happen, you HAVE to be willing to tell your guy - as great as he is - that he was bad.

Because yesterday Mahomes was bad.
That missed throw to the Worthy at the back of the end zone just gives me serious Aaron Rodgers vibes.

Sorry that every one of your receivers isn't DeVonta Adams. Quit trying to mind-meld everyone like they're Travis Kelce and just put the damn ball on him like you used to do. Aaron Rodgers would have Worthy traded for that shit.

That missed throw to Worthy isn't a QB who can't hit the broadside of a barn. It's a QB who expected his receiver to turn back inside to the open spot on the field. It's overthinking. Just put the damn ball on him.
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That missed throw to the Worthy at the back of the end zone just gives me serious Aaron Rodgers vibes.

Sorry that every one of your receivers isn't DeVonta Adams. Quit trying to mind-meld everyone like they're Travis Kelce and just put the damn ball on him like you used to do. Aaron Rodgers would have Worthy traded for that shit.

That missed throw to Worthy isn't a QB who can't hit the broadside of a barn. It's a QB who expected his receiver to turn back inside to the open spot on the field. It's overthinking. Just put the damn ball on him.
Oh I don't mean how he plays.

I mean how he conducts himself. That strange aloofness.

I don't think Mahomes is likely to do that - but I wouldn't have expected it from Rodgers either. And ultimately, what's gonna happen in a couple years when "His boys" aren't on the team anymore?

Or if simply being good makes things hard for us. Because man, I looked at that Lions offense yesterday (built in large part on high draft picks from bad seasons) and just thought "damn - are we better than them ANYWHERE apart from QB?"

It's human nature at some point for PM to start asking similar questions and getting pretty riled up about the answers. I mean how can he NOT see Goff with his anchor OTs, dynamic RB, excellent young TE and 2 damn dangerous WRs and thing "man...that sure looks nice..."

And when he things "why should Goff have that but I shouldn't when I'm a better player than he is..." well that's how disgruntled QBs happen.

This guy is so damn great. And he's so INSANELY likeable. It would just be soul-crushing to see some strange ending here. But the way that's going to happen is if he has everyone in his ear telling him that he was great yesterday when he very clearly wasn't.
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Oh I don't mean how he plays.

I mean how he conducts himself. That strange aloofness.

I don't think Mahomes is likely to do that - but I wouldn't have expected it from Rodgers either. And ultimately, what's gonna happen in a couple years when "His boys" aren't on the team anymore?

Or if simply being good makes things hard for us. Because man, I looked at that Lions offense yesterday (built in large part on high draft picks from bad seasons) and just thought "damn - are we better than them ANYWHERE apart from QB?"

It's human nature at some point for PM to start asking similar questions and getting pretty riled up about the answers. I mean how can he NOT see Goff with his anchor OTs, dynamic RB, excellent young TE and 2 damn dangerous WRs and thing "man...that sure looks nice..."

And when he things "why should Goff have that but I shouldn't when I'm a better player than he is..." well that's how disgruntled QBs happen.

This guy is so damn great. And he's so INSANELY likeable. It would just be soul-crushing to see some strange ending here. But the way that's going to happen is if he has everyone in his ear telling him that he was great yesterday when he very clearly wasn't.
I don't think Mahomes will come anywhere close to Rodgers in terms of attitude or how he carries himself.

I was speaking more on Rodger's mentality of, "Mind meld with me like Adams or you're not doing it right".

Rodgers had Mike Williams traded because he wasn't mind melding.

Sometimes you just gotta **** off with the super advanced play, and just put the damn ball on the guy.

I feel like this year there's been a lot of, "I know the route calls for you to go outside, but i wanted you to come back inside", even though outside woulda worked fine if you just threw it.

Rodgers does that shit due to his elite level of understanding. Mahomes is at that elite level too. But sometimes you can't mind meld everyone, and you have to just be willing to sling it in there even if it isn't the perfect spot, or exactly where you want the receiver to be.

I feel like for the past 2-seasons Mahomes has been at this elite level of reading defenses, so much so that at times he comes off reads too quickly, or completely rules routes out prior to the snap rather than reading them in motion. Hence why we come back and say, "he was wide open and Mahomes didn't even look his way"

And unless you have a vintage Dhop or Adams etc, it's not realistic to ask that of your receivers all the time.

The throw to Kelce where he missed high. He overthought it. He said he thought a S was coming in.

The missed throw to Worthy at the back of the endzone.....there's examples of this every game. Just overthinking shit.
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Oh I don't mean how he plays.

I mean how he conducts himself. That strange aloofness.

I don't think Mahomes is likely to do that - but I wouldn't have expected it from Rodgers either. And ultimately, what's gonna happen in a couple years when "His boys" aren't on the team anymore?

Or if simply being good makes things hard for us. Because man, I looked at that Lions offense yesterday (built in large part on high draft picks from bad seasons) and just thought "damn - are we better than them ANYWHERE apart from QB?"

It's human nature at some point for PM to start asking similar questions and getting pretty riled up about the answers. I mean how can he NOT see Goff with his anchor OTs, dynamic RB, excellent young TE and 2 damn dangerous WRs and thing "man...that sure looks nice..."

And when he things "why should Goff have that but I shouldn't when I'm a better player than he is..." well that's how disgruntled QBs happen.

This guy is so damn great. And he's so INSANELY likeable. It would just be soul-crushing to see some strange ending here. But the way that's going to happen is if he has everyone in his ear telling him that he was great yesterday when he very clearly wasn't.
Excellent point.
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