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Old 09-01-2017, 10:18 AM   #2
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Just watched Week 4.

Man, they've been playing Kpass at OLB the entire preseason.

I think they really are about to cut Tamba Hali.

Wow.
They can't

That eats up almost all their cap space
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:23 AM   #3
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They can't

That eats up almost all their cap space
They don't need it the cap space this year, do they? They've got like $10 million in space at this time.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:37 AM   #4
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They don't need it the cap space this year, do they? They've got like $10 million in space at this time.
With being able to roll it over to next year, I'd rather they keep it.

That 10 or 11 mil plus the cap they gain from letting smith and tamba go next year could be huge in restocking some spots and or extn suins
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:43 AM   #5
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With being able to roll it over to next year, I'd rather they keep it.

That 10 or 11 mil plus the cap they gain from letting smith and tamba go next year could be huge in restocking some spots and or extn suins
Smith, Hali & DJ are not likely to return next year, which will free up about $32 million.

Even with rolling over $10 million (and it's most likely closer to $5 million), they're still $1 million over. If they rollover nothing, they'd be $6 million over.

They have decisions to make with Peters and Morse in 2018 and in 2019, Tyreek Hill and Dee Ford.

They're not even close to being out of cap hell.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:39 AM   #6
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They don't need it the cap space this year, do they? They've got like $10 million in space at this time.
They need at least $5 million in reserve to cover injuries.

Cutting Hali would result in a $7.35 million dollar Dead Money charge and with approximately $10 million left, they'd have less than $3 million.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:55 AM   #7
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They can't

That eats up almost all their cap space
It doesn't eat up anything more than the $1.5 million in accelerated signing bonus that they'd end up eating next year anyway. The 'dead money' is already factored into the cap as salary. Cutting a guaranteed salary doesn't make it double count - it's still only in there once.

They can absolutely cut him, I just don't think they will because they don't have any gain in doing it at all. They can just PUP or IR him and maybe bring him back later. Or just leave him at home.

At least at that point they wouldn't take the PR hit of cutting a fan favorite or have to deal with a pissed off locker room.
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Old 09-01-2017, 04:48 PM   #8
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It doesn't eat up anything more than the $1.5 million in accelerated signing bonus that they'd end up eating next year anyway. The 'dead money' is already factored into the cap as salary. Cutting a guaranteed salary doesn't make it double count - it's still only in there once.

They can absolutely cut him, I just don't think they will because they don't have any gain in doing it at all. They can just PUP or IR him and maybe bring him back later. Or just leave him at home.
Dude, I'm not sure what you're looking at to come to this conclusion. A Post June 1st cut would create $1.25 million in Cap Space but come with $7.34 million in Dead Money.

https://overthecap.com/player/tamba-hali/531

If they cut him after the 2017 season and before the 2018 season, those figures basically flipflop with $1.56 in Dead Money and $7 million in Cap Savings.
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:46 PM   #9
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Dude, I'm not sure what you're looking at to come to this conclusion. A Post June 1st cut would create $1.25 million in Cap Space but come with $7.34 million in Dead Money.

https://overthecap.com/player/tamba-hali/531

If they cut him after the 2017 season and before the 2018 season, those figures basically flipflop with $1.56 in Dead Money and $7 million in Cap Savings.
The dead money replaces the salary. The only thing 'added' is the accelerated signing bonus.

So his cap hit is worse yes, but not exorbitantly so. It's worse by the amount of the accelerated bonus. By saying that it only creates 1.25 million in cap space, you're double counting his salary (as both salary and dead money).

The 'dead money' IS the salary. Its dead because its guaranteed. If it wasnt guaranteed, it wouldnt be dead money. So if you don't subtract it from the team cap before adding the dead money back in, you're double counting. Otherwise where is it coming from? The math is pretty easy on this one.

Hell, since its a post June 1 cut, the bonus won't even accelerate onto this year's cap. There's effectively no penalty for cutting Hali from a financial perspective.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:38 AM   #10
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They won't cut Hali this year, but I can see stowing him and his shit awful contract away on IR and cutting him next year.

Dorsey did a number of things right, but man oh man did he ever **** up the Tamba Hali contract situation.
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Dorsey did a number of things right, but man oh man did he ever **** up the Tamba Hali contract situation.
He ****ed up nearly every contract extension and free agent signing
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They won't cut Hali this year, but I can see stowing him and his shit awful contract away on IR and cutting him next year.

Dorsey did a number of things right, but man oh man did he ever **** up the Tamba Hali contract situation.
The contract situation would have been fine if Sutton didn't **** it up by effectively benching a legendary passrusher in the divisional round of the playoffs.

Hali has created a shit ton of problems for us now by providing us (a.) a disgruntled player (b.) that isn't being played enough to justify his contract.
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The contract situation would have been fine if Sutton didn't **** it up by effectively benching a legendary passrusher in the divisional round of the playoffs.
No, it wouldn't.

Dorsey took a $4 million dollar Dead Money charge in 2016, then turned around and signed Hali to a 3 year, $21 million dollar deal with $12 million guaranteed.

That was on top of way overpaying for Jeremy Maclin, in which the Chiefs are feeling the effects this year ($2.4 million in Dead) and next year (another $5 million in Dead).

Not to mention, cutting Jaye Howard after extending him and eating another $5 million in Dead Money.

Cutting Ramik Wilson cost them nearly $1 million, too, and that's before he was re-signed.

Dorsey was a cluster**** when it came to the cap.
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I know the numbers, but planting a locker room leader and Chiefs icon on the bench for 90% of the snaps is stupidity in the finest degree.

It turned the Chiefs' biggest locker room cheerleader into a curmudgeon -- a year I hope he breaks his damn back getting Kpass geared up for 2018 if this team is serious about putting him on the outside.
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He ****ed up nearly every contract extension and free agent signing
Not going to argue that.

Not sure which situation was worse - Bowe's or Hali's. Throw Maclin in there as well.
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