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Old 01-17-2009, 11:13 AM   #2
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Alright, back to the fooball portion of the thread. I'd be Ok, with Shannahan, but he's far from my first choice. I just see him wanting more control several years down the road.
Yep. If Shanahan could hold is ego in check, I'd love to have him.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:25 AM   #3
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Alright, back to the fooball portion of the thread. I'd be Ok, with Shannahan, but he's far from my first choice. I just see him wanting more control several years down the road.
Depending on Shanahan's outlook on coaching the Chiefs, he could easily be my first choice. If he's willing to allow Scott to bring in a D coordinator for him, I don't see a better option. If we're going to draft a franchise quarterback, who better to develop him?
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:47 AM   #4
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Depending on Shanahan's outlook on coaching the Chiefs, he could easily be my first choice. If he's willing to allow Scott to bring in a D coordinator for him, I don't see a better option. If we're going to draft a franchise quarterback, who better to develop him?
I think there are some positives that Shannahan would bring, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of the rat in KC.

The fact is, I still don't believe in retreads that have won SBs elsewhere.
They seem to do well with the next team, but they never quite achieve the same kind of success that they enjoyed with thier SB teams.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:50 AM   #5
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I think there are some positives that Shannahan would bring, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of the rat in KC.

The fact is, I still don't believe in retreads that have won SBs elsewhere.
They seem to do well with the next team, but they never quite achieve the same kind of success that they enjoyed with thier SB teams.
I could live with him winning us 1 Super Bowl instead of 2. Especially if we beat Denver in the AFC Championship.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:56 AM   #6
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I could live with him winning us 1 Super Bowl instead of 2. Especially if we beat Denver in the AFC Championship.
I'm talking about guys that didn't go on to win SBs with a second team.

Hank Stram, Mike Ditka, Bill Parcells, Dick, Mike Holmgren.

All guys that won a SB with one team who never won another with a another team.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:06 PM   #7
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I'm talking about guys that didn't go on to win SBs with a second team.

Hank Stram, Mike Ditka, Bill Parcells, Dick, Mike Holmgren.

All guys that won a SB with one team who never won another with a another team.
Isn't Grandpa the only coach to win a SB with a second team, after having won one with his original team?
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:13 PM   #8
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Isn't Grandpa the only coach to win a SB with a second team, after having won one with his original team?
No.

He lost one with Philly.

He won his first with the Rams.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:10 PM   #9
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No way this happens if Shannahan wants personnel control which I'm sure by now Shanny has learned his lesson of wearing too many hats in the previous org. Shanny the GM got Shanny the Coach fired.

Hands down Shanny is the best X's and O's guy 'offensively' and not to mention the best QB teacher(ala-could improve Thigpen tremendously) in the NFL. Pioli and Shanny have great admiration for one another and Shanny has always wanted to work with Gunther because he greatly respects him. Shanny really likes the Chiefs young core of talent coming up (Flowers,Carr,Bowe,Dorsey). Shanny I would think at this point would think I can just be a football coach and leave all the other stuff(GM,personnel) to somebody else and I have 45mil under the cap, Pioli,Gunther, good core of young talent and Arrowhead stadium.

I don't want him if he wants personnel control though.
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Old 01-17-2009, 04:01 PM   #10
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No way this happens if Shannahan wants personnel control which I'm sure by now Shanny has learned his lesson of wearing too many hats in the previous org. Shanny the GM got Shanny the Coach fired.

Hands down Shanny is the best X's and O's guy 'offensively' and not to mention the best QB teacher(ala-could improve Thigpen tremendously) in the NFL. Pioli and Shanny have great admiration for one another and Shanny has always wanted to work with Gunther because he greatly respects him. Shanny really likes the Chiefs young core of talent coming up (Flowers,Carr,Bowe,Dorsey). Shanny I would think at this point would think I can just be a football coach and leave all the other stuff(GM,personnel) to somebody else and I have 45mil under the cap, Pioli,Gunther, good core of young talent and Arrowhead stadium.

I don't want him if he wants personnel control though.
I would be OK with Gun coming back if a new HC would let Gun run HIS attack style defense instead of the shitty hybrid cover 2 shit that Herm made him run. If the abortion of a _efense that was unveiled on the field this past fall was all Guns doing and not mandated by Herm, then I want Gunther's head on a platter.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:03 PM   #11
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Thinking about this a little more.....

Pioli is used to working with a powerful coach. Actually, Belichick had more power than Pioli, but each guy had a veto power on personnel. I think something similar could work here with Shanahan.

I have bigger doubts about the money. If Shanahan got all of his money owed as a going away present, it could work. But if Bowlen's payments to Shanahan decline at one to one rate with a new HC job, Shanahan will be working for free, and he won't do that. [Maybe something creative could be worked out with backloading or something?] And even if Shanny did get all his money, would he demand $7 million here, too? I don't think Clark is going to pay out over $20 million next year for GM and coaches (including Edwards' and Peterson's salary).
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:11 PM   #12
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I think there are some positives that Shannahan would bring, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of the rat in KC.

The fact is, I still don't believe in retreads that have won SBs elsewhere.
They seem to do well with the next team, but they never quite achieve the same kind of success that they enjoyed with thier SB teams.
I think these guys buy into their own hype, and demand full control at the next stop. Turns out most of them are good coaches and shitty GMs.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:16 PM   #13
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I think these guys buy into their own hype, and demand full control at the next stop. Turns out most of them are good coaches and shitty GMs.
Bill Parcells is actually a pretty good personnel guy, but he never brought the Pats, the Jets or the Boys a SB win.

Holmgren was a shitty personnel man, but he still hasn't achieved the same kind of success on the field, even after giving up personnel control, that he enjoyed in Green Bay.

I don't believe the others had GM responsibilities.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:36 PM   #14
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I think there are some positives that Shannahan would bring, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of the rat in KC.
I've said it before. The only positive is that he will REALLY prepare to beat Denver and Oakland every year. That's 4 important games a year to try to win.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:41 PM   #15
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I've said it before. The only positive is that he will REALLY prepare to beat Denver and Oakland every year. That's 4 important games a year to try to win.
I'm sure he'll try equally hard to win every game.
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