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Old 03-27-2024, 11:57 AM   #2
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Who the **** gives a shit if they slightly modify their plans for Oak Street... isn't that a good thing?

Start building and block Oak St: OMG why didn't they think about this?!?

Change a plan after looking at it: OMG, what a mess!

...I'd love a job in an industry where projects never change course, even a tiny bit, lmk.
When people have already voted on it in early voting and you are announcing things like that, it makes you look like you have no ****ing idea what you are doing.
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Old 03-27-2024, 12:00 PM   #3
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Who the **** gives a shit if they slightly modify their plans for Oak Street... isn't that a good thing?

Start building and block Oak St: OMG why didn't they think about this?!?

Change a plan after looking at it: OMG, what a mess!

...I'd love a job in an industry where projects never change course, even a tiny bit, lmk.
It is kind of a big deal. This shows me it was rushed with very little interaction with the City by the architects and royals. Abandonment of public right of way is not an easy process. Also even if that abandonment is approved it doesn't go to Sherman unless he is the sole owner of the properties adjacent to each side of the right-of-way centerline.
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Old 03-27-2024, 12:18 PM   #4
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It is kind of a big deal. This shows me it was rushed with very little interaction with the City by the architects and royals. Abandonment of public right of way is not an easy process. Also even if that abandonment is approved it doesn't go to Sherman unless he is the sole owner of the properties adjacent to each side of the right-of-way centerline.
I've wondered about that part since these things always make it seem like a predetermined thing that stuff is going to get built no matter what (outside of every once in a while where someone kept their house in a redeveloped area)..

And I get the whole trust thing with knowing whether they're just winging all of it or have some kind of plan... if it was "oh by the way, we found out we can't build there and we're going to tear down the river market, but thanks for the money!".... yeah, that's a big deal.

The nuances of whether a street will remain open at this stage...
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Old 03-27-2024, 01:03 PM   #5
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I've wondered about that part since these things always make it seem like a predetermined thing that stuff is going to get built no matter what (outside of every once in a while where someone kept their house in a redeveloped area)..

And I get the whole trust thing with knowing whether they're just winging all of it or have some kind of plan... if it was "oh by the way, we found out we can't build there and we're going to tear down the river market, but thanks for the money!".... yeah, that's a big deal.

The nuances of whether a street will remain open at this stage...
Well your priorities suck then it seems. Closing off a street that has the largest Downtown employers City Hall Jackson County Courthouse Federal office and Courthouse along with all the support buildings that accompany the Federal City and County Government right dammit we got baseball here.
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Old 03-27-2024, 01:08 PM   #6
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Well your priorities suck then it seems. Closing off a street that has the largest Downtown employers City Hall Jackson County Courthouse Federal office and Courthouse along with all the support buildings that accompany the Federal City and County Government right dammit we got baseball here.
Good news, they're keeping it open.
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Old 03-27-2024, 01:23 PM   #7
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Good news, they're keeping it open.
Sherman pinching pennies trusting an architectural company to design the new ballpark. without apparently a qualified civil engineering firm with a planning division to help them through this shit. Amature hour! Architects make pretty pictures Engineers plan communities and make Architect's dreams work!
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Old 03-27-2024, 01:30 PM   #8
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As volatile as the construction/material market has been the past few years, with no end in sight, they (Royals and Chiefs) are going to make the "bond" language as generic as possible so that they aren't obligated to any "feature piece" that could cause the project to end up in the red because of inflation come the time of construction.

This is no different than any project that has required a vote the past few years, except for the fact it's a high-profile project!

I am part of projects that require a vote that don't even disclose a specific location within the question, but identify a need [ie. schools, hospitals, etc]. and these pass all of the time.

If this one passes, expect maybe 33% of what is shown in the renderings to actually be built. They are only obligated to provide what is stated in the question that is to-be voted on.

Edit: I am NOT working on either of the projects nor have anything to do with them. And Tyler Bray.
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Who the **** gives a shit if they slightly modify their plans for Oak Street... isn't that a good thing?

Start building and block Oak St: OMG why didn't they think about this?!?

Change a plan after looking at it: OMG, what a mess!

...I'd love a job in an industry where projects never change course, even a tiny bit, lmk.
It probably shouldn't be up for a vote if they're still making changes that drastic, though.
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