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kcgreene · 06-26-2024, 10:48 AM

Obvious is Obvious. Andy is 1. Full List is in Spoilers.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking...-entering-2024

1. ANDY REID, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Pairing Reid with Patrick Mahomes has been a cheat code that has led the Kansas City Chiefs to four Super Bowl appearances and three Super Bowl wins. On offense, they have ranked inside the top five in EPA per play every season from 2018-2022, even predating Mahomes’ arrival. They dropped to 12th last season, but with some significant improvements at the wide receiver position, expect them to be back inside the top five again in 2024.

Spoiler!

Jerm · 06-26-2024, 10:51 AM

Kevin O'Connell should be on this list and get McDermott the hell off of it...we're really gonna do this song and dance again? We've all seen what he is....

Delano · 06-26-2024, 10:58 AM

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Kevin O'Connell should be on this list and get McDermott the hell off of it...we're really gonna do this song and dance again? We've all seen what he is....

Good call. I think McVay is top three and LaFluer is top five. Tomlin and Campbell are probably overrated as well.

Wisconsin_Chief · 06-26-2024, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

Kevin O'Connell should be on this list and get McDermott the hell off of it...we're really gonna do this song and dance again? We've all seen what he is....

1000% this, I can't even fathom how McDermott is on this list. If he and O'Connell switched jobs, the Bills might have made a Super Bowl appearance the last few years.

DJ's left nut · 06-26-2024, 10:55 AM

God almighty there's a lot of mediocre in the coaching ranks.

And Mike Tomlin as a top 5 coach is laughable. The top 4 seems pretty legit and I'd probably put LaFleur at 5. O'Connell would be in my top 10 over Tomlin.

Demeco Ryans is Dan Campbell but better. Campbell doesn't belong ahead of him; he's just a more interesting character.

smithandrew051 · 06-26-2024, 10:56 AM

Chiefs have a good coach imo

kcgreene · 06-26-2024, 11:01 AM

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Chiefs have a good coach imo

Hot take, but I think you might be right.

MarkDavis'Haircut · 06-26-2024, 11:59 AM

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Chiefs have a good coach imo

Tough to argue otherwise.

JohnnyHammersticks · 06-26-2024, 12:03 PM

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Chiefs have a good coach imo

That's crazy talk...

CRAZY LIKE A FOX!!

Wisconsin_Chief · 06-26-2024, 12:30 PM

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Chiefs have a good coach imo

I also like the commercial where he eats all of Patrick Mahomes' (our current starting QB) fries. Because, like Andy, I also enjoy fries.

Summary being he's a nice man and I like him.

**RealSNR** · 06-26-2024, 11:01 AM

Ratface Jr is overrated as **** and I will scream it repeatedly until the world listens.

He's fine, but people often list him first when talking about the great offensive minds in the NFL. And that's just not ****ing true at all.

RunKC · 06-26-2024, 11:22 AM

I’m very interested in seeing how Brian Callahan does in Tennessee. He was terrific in Cincinnati with Burrow’s development and also the work he did making Jake Browning look decent.

I think he could be an underrated coach

JimNasium · 06-26-2024, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Ratface Jr is overrated as **** and I will scream it repeatedly until the world listens.

He's fine, but people often list him first when talking about the great offensive minds in the NFL. And that's just not ****ing true at all.

**** donk spawn forever.

Rasputin · 06-26-2024, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Ratface Jr is overrated as **** and I will scream it repeatedly until the world listens.

He's fine, but people often list him first when talking about the great offensive minds in the NFL. And that's just not ****ing true at all.

They don't even use George Kettle like Chiefs use Travis Kelce in the offense. I mean that's fine keep him in to block while Chiefs win Super Bowls using TE catching first downs and touchdowns.

Direckshun · 06-26-2024, 11:23 AM

Am I insane, or is Dan Campbell overrated.

His players love him, but his specialty is supposed to be defense and they've been very disappointing there despite having top tier players.

Their offense has been what's made them lethal in the past year or two, and that's on Ben Johnson, who had HC opportunities this offseason that he proactively turned down.

Edit: Actually it seems he's a more offensive-minded guy, so disregard.

I wonder how the Lions will perform if/when Ben Johnson moves on.

06-26-2024, 10:48 AM	Topic Starter
kcgreene Starter kcgreene's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Missouri	PFF - Ranking the NFL’s top 10 returning head coaches entering 2024 Obvious is Obvious. Andy is 1. Full List is in Spoilers. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking...-entering-2024 1. ANDY REID, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS Pairing Reid with Patrick Mahomes has been a cheat code that has led the Kansas City Chiefs to four Super Bowl appearances and three Super Bowl wins. On offense, they have ranked inside the top five in EPA per play every season from 2018-2022, even predating Mahomes’ arrival. They dropped to 12th last season, but with some significant improvements at the wide receiver position, expect them to be back inside the top five again in 2024. Spoiler! 1. ANDY REID, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS Pairing Reid with Patrick Mahomes has been a cheat code that has led the Kansas City Chiefs to four Super Bowl appearances and three Super Bowl wins. On offense, they have ranked inside the top five in EPA per play every season from 2018-2022, even predating Mahomes’ arrival. They dropped to 12th last season, but with some significant improvements at the wide receiver position, expect them to be back inside the top five again in 2024. 2. KYLE SHANAHAN, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS Shanahan has yet to get over the hump and win a Super Bowl despite holding leads in one as the Atlanta Falcons‘ offensive coordinator and two as the San Francisco 49ers‘ head coach, but he is the main reason why the 49ers are the favorites to come out of the NFC once again in 2024. They led the NFL in averaging 0.161 EPA per play in 2023 and while they ranked 12th on the defensive side of the ball, Shanahan was bold enough to make the change from Steve Wilks to Nick Sorensen at defensive coordinator heading into this season. That’s good news for Sorensen’s future career prospects, as three of Shanahan’s former coordinators are currently NFL head coaches. 3. JOHN HARBAUGH, BALTIMORE RAVENS Before the Ravens drafted Lamar Jackson in 2018, it looked like John Harbaugh could be on his way out as their head coach. The former Heisman Trophy winner helped turn things around, and Harbaugh has also improved as a coach in recent years. Harbaugh’s strength has been his ability to make the right decisions on coordinators, as the switch to Mike Macdonald in 2022 led to a defense that allowed an average of -0.134 EPA per play in 2023. On offense, he switched from Greg Roman to Todd Monken, which helped them bounce back to eighth in EPA per play in 2023. They have been the No. 1 seed twice in the Mahomes-Reid era in Kansas City but just haven’t been able to make it count in the playoffs yet. 4. SEAN MCVAY, LOS ANGELES RAMS While two Super Bowl appearances and one win are obviously the key highlights of McVay’s time with the Rams, you can make the case that getting the Rams to the playoffs last season, when they were tied for 24th worst odds to win the Super Bowl due to a roster that ultimately ranked sixth and second in snaps by rookies on offense and defense respectively, was up there with his best achievements. There are more challenges upcoming for McVay as the Rams deal with Aaron Donald‘s retirement this offseason while Matthew Stafford is now 36 years old and likely nearing the end of his career. Luckily, McVay has proven himself as a head coach at this point. 5. MIKE TOMLIN, PITTSBURGH STEELERS The Steelers haven’t won a playoff game in T.J. Watt’s career, which isn’t great considering that he’s heading into his eighth season in the NFL in 2024. That being said, if you look at what Tomlin has had at the quarterback position over the past five seasons, even getting to the playoffs is a huge accomplishment. The Steelers didn’t have a quarterback earn a PFF passing grade above 70.0 in 2023. Kenny Pickett was the best of the bunch at 68.8. With Russell Wilson and Justin Fields arriving this offseason, there’s a big opportunity for the Steelers to finally make an impact in the playoffs once again. 6. MATT LAFLEUR, GREEN BAY PACKERS If there was any doubt that LaFleur’s success in Green Bay in his first four seasons with the Packers was simply down to Aaron Rodgers, that narrative was put to bed in 2023. With Jordan Love in his first season as a starting quarterback, the Packers were tied with the Detroit Lions for fourth place in the NFL with 0.086 EPA per play and took down the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs before pushing the San Francisco 49ers all the way. 7. DAN CAMPBELL, DETROIT LIONS As a head coach, Campbell has gone from the guy everyone laughed at for the comments about biting kneecaps to the guy who has turned the Detroit Lions franchise into a legitimate Super Bowl contender. He, along with offensive coordinator Ben Johnson, has helped revitalize Jared Goff‘s career. The former No. 1 overall pick enjoyed the highest-graded season of his career with an 85.7 PFF grade last year. Campbell's next step is getting the Lions to the Super Bowl, but you wouldn’t bet against them doing that sooner rather than later. 8. DEMECO RYANS, HOUSTON TEXANS Like Campbell in Detroit, Ryans has led a significant turn of fortunes as the Texans' head coach. After bringing fellow former 49ers coach Bobby Slowik to Houston as offensive coordinator, the Texans were able to turn a team expected to be among the worst in the league into a team that made the divisional round of the playoffs, all with a rookie quarterback in C.J. Stroud. A big offseason has increased expectations for the Texans and if they can improve on the defensive side of the ball, where they ranked 19th in EPA per play allowed in 2023, they can contend with the Chiefs in the AFC. Because Ryans’ strength is on the defensive side of the ball, they are more than capable of doing just that. 9. KEVIN STEFANSKI, CLEVELAND BROWNS The NFL's reigning Coach of the Year, Stefanski proved his worth as a head coach by making the playoffs with a Browns team that was really lacking at the quarterback position in 2023. They had four quarterbacks attempt 100 or more passes, and Joe Flacco was the best of the bunch with a 70.6 PFF passing grade. With the talent the Browns have on this roster, their success in 2024 will likely be determined by how Stefanski manages the quarterback position once again. Deshaun Watson hasn’t lived up to the price tag the Browns paid for him when they traded three first-round picks and gave him a fully guaranteed contract, and if things don’t improve early in 2024, they may need to consider a switch. Jameis Winston and Tyler Huntley were brought in for depth this offseason. 10. SEAN MCDERMOTT, BUFFALO BILLS Filling the last spot in the top 10 was tough, as numerous coaches were worthy of consideration. Were it not for the late-season turnaround last season, there’s a good chance that I wouldn’t have gone with McDermott here. The Bills ranked third in the NFL with 0.104 EPA per play on offense in 2023 despite a coordinator change midseason. They actually dropped back a little when Joe Brady took over as interim coordinator but still ranked sixth from Week 11 through the end of the season. This upcoming season is a big prove-it year for McDermott, and he likely can’t afford for the Bills to start slow again like they did in 2023.
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06-26-2024, 10:51 AM	#2
Jerm Mahomes > God Jerm's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO	Kevin O'Connell should be on this list and get McDermott the hell off of it...we're really gonna do this song and dance again? We've all seen what he is....
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards DJ's left nut's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo	God almighty there's a lot of mediocre in the coaching ranks. And Mike Tomlin as a top 5 coach is laughable. The top 4 seems pretty legit and I'd probably put LaFleur at 5. O'Connell would be in my top 10 over Tomlin. Demeco Ryans is Dan Campbell but better. Campbell doesn't belong ahead of him; he's just a more interesting character.
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! RealSNR's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR	Ratface Jr is overrated as ** and I will scream it repeatedly until the world listens. He's fine, but people often list him first when talking about the great offensive minds in the NFL. And that's just not **ing true at all.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter RunKC's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2012	I’m very interested in seeing how Brian Callahan does in Tennessee. He was terrific in Cincinnati with Burrow’s development and also the work he did making Jake Browning look decent. I think he could be an underrated coach
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch	Am I insane, or is Dan Campbell overrated. His players love him, but his specialty is supposed to be defense and they've been very disappointing there despite having top tier players. Their offense has been what's made them lethal in the past year or two, and that's on Ben Johnson, who had HC opportunities this offseason that he proactively turned down. Edit: Actually it seems he's a more offensive-minded guy, so disregard. I wonder how the Lions will perform if/when Ben Johnson moves on.
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