Offensive line

[O.city]

LT spot has cast somewhat of a shadow on this unit but.....the OL has been just mauling people this year. They're a top 3 unit league wide, just get the LT spot figured and we're golden.

[R Clark]

Just keep chipping away at LT

[DJ's left nut]

Makes the problems we're having at LT all the more frustrating.

I mean c'mon guys - slide some protections or something.

When 4 of your 5 OL are playing at blue-chip level, maybe you could leverage that a bit to keep the 5th guy from getting beaten like a red headed step-child?

And it also makes me think Mahomes needs to man up. Dude, you have one spot to worry about. Which is better than 90% of the league. Maybe put on your big boy pants and set your ****ing feet before you throw, m'kay?

OL play is a mess league-wide and literally 80% of ours is playing at a Pro Bowl level. Let's not act like it's okay to just soil ourselves back there because you don't have 6 seconds to throw the football.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Makes the problems we're having at LT all the more frustrating.

I mean c'mon guys - slide some protections or something.

When 4 of your 5 OL are playing at blue-chip level, maybe you could leverage that a bit to keep the 5th guy from getting beaten like a red headed step-child?

And it also makes me think Mahomes needs to man up. Dude, you have one spot to worry about. Which is better than 90% of the league. Maybe put on your big boy pants and set your ****ing feet before you throw, m'kay?

OL play is a mess league-wide and literally 80% of ours is playing at a Pro Bowl level. Let's not act like it's okay to just soil ourselves back there because you don't have 6 seconds to throw the football.

That was kinda my thought. You want 5 legit dudes up there, fine, but you're gonna have to take less $ if you want us to go find a LT on the level of these other 4 right away.

To me....this is where the "run around and make plays" stuff comes back to bite us. He's always leaned on that and it tends to hurt his pocket presence. Brady and Peyton were always so great at sliding this way or that way to create a little time. Pat just leaves cleanish pockets too much for my taste right now.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Makes the problems we're having at LT all the more frustrating.

I mean c'mon guys - slide some protections or something.

When 4 of your 5 OL are playing at blue-chip level, maybe you could leverage that a bit to keep the 5th guy from getting beaten like a red headed step-child?

And it also makes me think Mahomes needs to man up. Dude, you have one spot to worry about. Which is better than 90% of the league. Maybe put on your big boy pants and set your ****ing feet before you throw, m'kay?

OL play is a mess league-wide and literally 80% of ours is playing at a Pro Bowl level. Let's not act like it's okay to just soil ourselves back there because you don't have 6 seconds to throw the football.

Like Kman said, put Taylor at LT already.

If Pat only has to worry about one spot it might as well be the spot he can what’s coming more easily than on his blind side.

It’s like yes the entire OL is playing on a pro bowl level except the spot that’s the most important!

Need a plane to start flying, JT to LT

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Balto

Like Kman said, put Taylor at LT already.

If Pat only has to worry about one spot it might as well be the spot he can what’s coming more easily than on his blind side.

It’s like yes the entire OL is playing on a pro bowl level except the spot that’s the most important!

Need a plane to start flying, JT to LT

Blind sides are still a thing, yes.

But not as much as they used to be.

The 'blind side' as we came to know it was born of under-center snaps and QBs having to take 5 step drops, usually parallel to the rusher, with his back to the guy the whole time.

We work so much out of shotgun and take shorter drops. We also start from a spot deeper behind the line so the QB has an angle to actually see the rusher coming from the left side.

The issue with the 'blind side' for shotgun heavy offenses is diminished from where it was when teams played so much under center. The bigger issue is that there's no TE over that side for most offenses so the player is on an island.

In our offense, that's the case on BOTH sides of the line since we don't use our TE in-line very often.

So in moving Taylor over to LT from RT, you're not actually addressing the biggest issue our OTs face because Morris or Kingsley would face that same problem on the right side - no TE help.

And in the process you've potentially created TWO problem areas where there was only one.

It's a bad idea. It's a fine experiment in the off-season, but it's not something you do mid-year.

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Blind sides are still a thing, yes.

But not as much as they used to be.

The 'blind side' as we came to know it was born of under-center snaps and QBs having to take 5 step drops, usually parallel to the rusher, with his back to the guy the whole time.

We work so much out of shotgun and take shorter drops. We also start from a spot deeper behind the line so the QB has an angle to actually see the rusher coming from the left side.

The issue with the 'blind side' for shotgun heavy offenses is diminished from where it was when teams played so much under center. The bigger issue is that there's no TE over that side for most offenses so the player is on an island.

In our offense, that's the case on BOTH sides of the line since we don't use our TE in-line very often.

So in moving Taylor over to LT from RT, you're not actually addressing the biggest issue our OTs face because Morris or Kingsley would face that same problem on the right side - no TE help.

And in the process you've potentially created TWO problem areas where there was only one.

It's a bad idea. It's a fine experiment in the off-season, but it's not something you do mid-year.

In addition to the lessening import of "blind side" protection, there's also the evolving nature of d-lines where teams used to always put their best pass rushers on the right side (over the LT), but are now more often then not putting their best pass rushers on the left side (over the RT).

[KCUnited]

Is it just me or did Trey Smith slim down in the offseason?

He looks in better shape anyway

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

In addition to the lessening import of "blind side" protection, there's also the evolving nature of d-lines where teams used to always put their best pass rushers on the right side (over the LT), but are now more often then not putting their best pass rushers on the left side (over the RT).

Also true.

Most premier pass rushers will float. They'll move to your weakest OL and attack him.

That didn't used to be the case because again, most offenses kept the TE tight against the RT on the strong side of the offense so there was a clear tactical advantage to having your best pass rusher on the right side of your defensive formation going against a single OT on the weak side of the offense.

The LT/RT distinction is nothing close to what it used to be.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Blind sides are still a thing, yes.

But not as much as they used to be.

The 'blind side' as we came to know it was born of under-center snaps and QBs having to take 5 step drops, usually parallel to the rusher, with his back to the guy the whole time.

We work so much out of shotgun and take shorter drops. We also start from a spot deeper behind the line so the QB has an angle to actually see the rusher coming from the left side.

The issue with the 'blind side' for shotgun heavy offenses is diminished from where it was when teams played so much under center. The bigger issue is that there's no TE over that side for most offenses so the player is on an island.

In our offense, that's the case on BOTH sides of the line since we don't use our TE in-line very often.

So in moving Taylor over to LT from RT, you're not actually addressing the biggest issue our OTs face because Morris or Kingsley would face that same problem on the right side - no TE help.

And in the process you've potentially created TWO problem areas where there was only one.

It's a bad idea. It's a fine experiment in the off-season, but it's not something you do mid-year.

I don’t agree.

I get everything you’re saying but Pat still has to square up to throw and at that point he is more blind to the left tackle side than right……AND this has been his problem so far.

I think locking up LT, if Taylor can do it in practice, Mahomes can handle the right side with 100% constant visibility.

Pat does not have faith in our young LTs to keep him clean in those split second moments he has to square up and throw BLIND from what’s coming on the left side.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Balto

I don’t agree.

I get everything you’re saying but Pat still has to square up to throw and at that point he is more blind to the left tackle side than right……AND this has been his problem so far.

I think locking up LT, if Taylor can do it in practice, Mahomes can handle the right side with 100% constant visibility.

Pat does not have faith in our young LTs to keep him clean in those split second moments he has to square up and throw BLIND from what’s coming on the left side.

Yea, its the basic of arguments and true as it ever was.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Balto

I don’t agree.

I get everything you’re saying but Pat still has to square up to throw and at that point he is more blind to the left tackle side than right……AND this has been his problem so far.

I think locking up LT, if Taylor can do it in practice, Mahomes can handle the right side with 100% constant visibility.

Pat does not have faith in our young LTs to keep him clean in those split second moments he has to square up and throw BLIND from what’s coming on the left side.

Except before he has to square up and throw, he's had a moment to observe the left side of the line and have a feel for how that rep is going. And yes, QBs can/will process it just that quickly.

I'm not saying it's NOT a problem. I'm saying it's substantially less problematic than it used to be. It used to be that the QB had NO chance to look over there and have any idea how things were going.

In the modern NFL that's just not the case. Especially when you consider that we run a WCO style offense that uses the lateral parts of the field a ton. So oftentimes PM is having to square his shoulders to the LEFT side of the formation to make a throw and focus downfield there, at which time he can't know if the right side has held for that last heartbeat before he throws the ball.

If you could be even the slightest bit confident that Taylor would make the transition seamlessly to the Left side - sure, do it. You can't. Even a little bit.

Because even if he looks great in practice, he's doing reps against scout team DEs. Without the pressure of the game. That means precisely dick (and that's why teams don't do these kinds of experiments in-season).

Most of the problems that exist with a turnstile at LT would still exist with that turnstile at RT. As such, there's no reason to risk creating a problem at BOTH.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Makes the problems we're having at LT all the more frustrating.

I mean c'mon guys - slide some protections or something.

When 4 of your 5 OL are playing at blue-chip level, maybe you could leverage that a bit to keep the 5th guy from getting beaten like a red headed step-child?

And it also makes me think Mahomes needs to man up. Dude, you have one spot to worry about. Which is better than 90% of the league. Maybe put on your big boy pants and set your ****ing feet before you throw, m'kay?

OL play is a mess league-wide and literally 80% of ours is playing at a Pro Bowl level. Let's not act like it's okay to just soil ourselves back there because you don't have 6 seconds to throw the football.

To be fair Steele has not been good blocking. It was confirmed that Mahomes called for him to block on the INT and instead he went out for the checkdown leaving Patrick out to dry.

He also needs to be much better chipping. This kinda stuff can’t happen when it’s a LT and RB blocking a DE. I get why Mahomes feels uneasy. The DE nearly got him after he bet Wanya and Steele. McKinnon wasn’t letting this stuff happen very often.

Rashee Rice is developing into a complete WR, and has become the focal point of the Chiefs' passing attack.

I wrote about where Rice has grown as a WR and how Reid is utilizing him more in both frequency and type of targets.

You should read it.

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— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) September 23, 2024

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by RunKC

To be fair Steele has not been good blocking. It was confirmed that Mahomes called for him to block on the INT and instead he went out for the checkdown leaving Patrick out to dry.

He also needs to be much better chipping. This kinda stuff can’t happen when it’s a LT and RB blocking a DE. I get why Mahomes feels uneasy. The DE nearly got him after he bet Wanya and Steele. McKinnon wasn’t letting this stuff happen very often.

Rashee Rice is developing into a complete WR, and has become the focal point of the Chiefs' passing attack.

I wrote about where Rice has grown as a WR and how Reid is utilizing him more in both frequency and type of targets.

You should read it.

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— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) September 23, 2024

I wonder if Kareem Hunt might be able to help in the blocking game. Even if he’s not the same runner he used to be, I would imagine the blocking ability is still there with him.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I wonder if Kareem Hunt might be able to help in the blocking game. Even if he’s not the same runner he used to be, I would imagine the blocking ability is still there with him.

I think that's the plan. Seems like they identified the major issue and they think he'll at least maintain some playable threshold in pass pro. If he can be an adequate blocker back there for Patrick then anything they get out of him rushing or receiving is just icing on the cake.