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T-post Tom · 01-23-2019, 04:32 PM

With all of the controversies over the weekend, one lost in the wash was the overturn of Julian Edelman‘s muffed punt. No one is talking about it primarily because the Chiefs got the ball back two snaps later anyway with an interception.

“Ball don’t lie,” CBS analyst Tony Romo joked on the broadcast after Daniel Sorensen‘s interception.

But Cowboys owner Jerry Jones brought up the play when asked about the officiating in Sunday’s games. Jones still doesn’t understand what the NFL’s supervisor of officials, Al Riveron, saw on replay to overturn the fourth-quarter fumble, which the Chiefs recovered at the New England 28.

In other words, even replay sometimes leaves a question.

“The call on the punt, whether he touched it, you can never get it right, because it was called on the field as a touch and then later, you couldn’t see an angle that he definitely touched it,” Jones said, via Drew Davison of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “But the rule says you’re supposed to go with the call on the field if you can’t see an angle that he didn’t touch it. I don’t know if you can get everything [right].”

The Cowboys have lost postseason games where questionable calls played a role. In the 2014 playoffs, Dez Bryant‘s fourth-down reception in the fourth quarter was overturned on replay based on the catch rule at the time. And the Cowboys didn’t get an obvious pass interference call on 49ers cornerback Deion Sanders in coverage against Michael Irvin late in the fourth quarter of the 1994 NFC Championship Game.

“At the end of the day, it’s the official’s call and you live with that,” Jones said. “You depend on the integrity of the official, not necessarily his ability to make every call right or wrong. You assume that, and rightfully so, that there are no biases, and he’s just trying to make the right call. That’s part of sport.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/23/jerry-jones-wonders-why-julian-edelmans-muffed-punt-was-overturned/

BWillie · 01-23-2019, 04:34 PM

This is actually a call that probably didn't matter. We intercepted it on that same drive - then went down and scored.

carcosa · 01-23-2019, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

This is actually a call that probably didn't matter. We intercepted it on that same drive - then went down and scored.

Especially since a muffed punt can't be advanced, so it wouldn't have even saved much time.

Jerm · 01-23-2019, 04:39 PM

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Especially since a muffed punt can't be advanced, so it wouldn't have even saved much time.

That rule is asinine to me...even more so than a fumble into the endzone being a touchback.

JakeF · 01-23-2019, 04:43 PM

It didn't matter but it was still wrong. The call should have stood as called but the Patriots have always played under a different set of rules.

**Rain Man** · 01-23-2019, 04:53 PM

How does Jerry Jones not know that Edelman is a Patriot?

**Rain Man** · 01-23-2019, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

That rule is asinine to me...even more so than a fumble into the endzone being a touchback.

I'm trying to recall if that's always been a rule. I have some very vague memory of it changing when I was a child.

I don't like it either, but I bet there's some reason for it. Perhaps it was just that every fumble became a touchdown for the punting team given the positioning of the players?

Dr. Yu Weed Tard · 01-23-2019, 04:56 PM

The ball DIDN'T hit his thumb, but the over angle showed that it bounced off Edelman's fingertips.

Discuss Thrower · 01-23-2019, 04:57 PM

Isn't a fumble into the opponents end zone the Kenny Stabler rule?

But yeah, I don't see how Edelman could have clearly not touched the ball to overturn an initial call on the field.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-23-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Isn't a fumble into the opponents end zone the Kenny Stabler rule?

But yeah, I don't see how Edelman could have clearly not touched the ball to overturn an initial call on the field.

Ken Stabler rule has more to due with advancing a fumble on 4th down due to the Holy Roller play.

Mahomer · 01-23-2019, 05:05 PM

Still would have saved us time, even if we had 30 more seconds at the end there, we might have had enough time to score a TD to win it.

Plus with them overruling that muffed punt, how can anyone trust them with the Hogan replay.

ClevelandBronco · 01-23-2019, 05:08 PM

Jerry's drunk again. Big surprise.

redfan · 01-23-2019, 05:08 PM

The football gods had our backs a coupla plays later, thereby establishing (by rule of righteous play on the field) what bullshit that overturn was.

**Renegade** · 01-23-2019, 05:09 PM

I also hate the rule on a kickoff if the receiving team is standing out of bounds, and the ball touches the out of bounds player(or even if the player touches the ball), the ball is out of bounds, therefore ball is placed on the 40.

I believe this happened to us this year.

Dr. Yu Weed Tard · 01-23-2019, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Renegade

I also hate the rule on a kickoff if the receiving team is standing out of bounds, and the ball touches the out of bounds player(or even if the player touches the ball), the ball is out of bounds, therefore ball is placed on the 40.

I believe this happened to us this year.

Correct, and it did.

01-23-2019, 04:32 PM
T-post Tom Threepeat! T-post Tom's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland	Jerry Jones wonders why Julian Edelman’s muffed punt was overturned With all of the controversies over the weekend, one lost in the wash was the overturn of Julian Edelman‘s muffed punt. No one is talking about it primarily because the Chiefs got the ball back two snaps later anyway with an interception. “Ball don’t lie,” CBS analyst Tony Romo joked on the broadcast after Daniel Sorensen‘s interception. But Cowboys owner Jerry Jones brought up the play when asked about the officiating in Sunday’s games. Jones still doesn’t understand what the NFL’s supervisor of officials, Al Riveron, saw on replay to overturn the fourth-quarter fumble, which the Chiefs recovered at the New England 28. In other words, even replay sometimes leaves a question. “The call on the punt, whether he touched it, you can never get it right, because it was called on the field as a touch and then later, you couldn’t see an angle that he definitely touched it,” Jones said, via Drew Davison of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “But the rule says you’re supposed to go with the call on the field if you can’t see an angle that he didn’t touch it. I don’t know if you can get everything [right].” The Cowboys have lost postseason games where questionable calls played a role. In the 2014 playoffs, Dez Bryant‘s fourth-down reception in the fourth quarter was overturned on replay based on the catch rule at the time. And the Cowboys didn’t get an obvious pass interference call on 49ers cornerback Deion Sanders in coverage against Michael Irvin late in the fourth quarter of the 1994 NFC Championship Game. “At the end of the day, it’s the official’s call and you live with that,” Jones said. “You depend on the integrity of the official, not necessarily his ability to make every call right or wrong. You assume that, and rightfully so, that there are no biases, and he’s just trying to make the right call. That’s part of sport.” https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/23/jerry-jones-wonders-why-julian-edelmans-muffed-punt-was-overturned/
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Mahomer Starter Join Date: Apr 2017	Still would have saved us time, even if we had 30 more seconds at the end there, we might have had enough time to score a TD to win it. Plus with them overruling that muffed punt, how can anyone trust them with the Hogan replay.
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Renegade Just Lurking Renegade's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ozark Mountain Country	I also hate the rule on a kickoff if the receiving team is standing out of bounds, and the ball touches the out of bounds player(or even if the player touches the ball), the ball is out of bounds, therefore ball is placed on the 40. I believe this happened to us this year.
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