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11-23-2019, 01:16 AM | #2 |
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I like it.
I don’t know much about any of those players. But in principle I like Jones for players approach. |
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11-23-2019, 02:38 PM | #3 |
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No thanks
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11-23-2019, 03:33 PM | #4 |
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If you're not getting a first for Jones then don't even think about trading him.
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11-23-2019, 03:47 PM | #5 |
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If that's all you're doing to address linebacker then nope
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11-23-2019, 04:47 PM | #6 | |
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Leonard Williams fetched a 3rd and conditional 5th. Danny Shelton and a 5th fetched a 3rd The last time a DT got traded for a 1st was Richard Seymour in 2011 and the Pats got just a 1st, #17 overall. I think you look at that as an absolute maximum value. I think he gets you more than Williams just got the Jets but he's probably not getting you a 1st. |
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11-23-2019, 04:52 PM | #7 |
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11-23-2019, 05:14 PM | #8 |
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I've tried to think about this too because I hate our linebackers. My question is, what are you going to do sans bringing in a vet that's no better than what's here?
It's likely Cleveland franchises Schobert and Carolina franchises Thompson because neither team really has any other free agents worth the tag and those are pretty much the only ones out there that are significant improvements. I'm sure the Packers go out of their way to hang onto Blake Martinez after it took them the better part of a decade to find a good MLB. Maybe you can snag a guy like Jon Bostic on a reasonable deal, and that's fine. Outside of these 4, I see no free agent improvements. I look at the draft and I see Simmons and Murray as potential 1st round guys. and then a lump of guys that are in that 2nd-4th range that are all pretty fair game and I happened to pick one guy I like. I like Weaver, Bachie, Brooks, Reece, and Fisher more than most. I think Simmons is gone early. Am I willing to forgoe a CB or some other positions for a guy like Murray? I'm not sure yet, but I don't think so. |
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11-23-2019, 05:15 PM | #9 |
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I don’t get spending big for a DT who can stop the run but not rush while having the same entity in Nandi and Saunders filling that role for multiple more years of a rookie contract?
I’m not in favor of it, but I think this franchise is gonna pay Chris Jones. |
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11-23-2019, 05:41 PM | #10 | |
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That would be a terrible return for a pass-rusher like Chris Jones in a pretty weak class for 3/5 tech's. Once Brown is off the board, it gets thin in a hurry. That should tell you pretty quick that trade sucks. Once you factor in that just letting Jones walk out the door would get you a 3 in 2021 anyhow, that trade really sucks. Spending the #33 pick on a RB with how good the mid range talent pool is in this class is bad. Don't like the idea of Hall in the first round, and I especially don't understand retaining Breeland than following it up with drafting a CB in the first round. Is that you Matt Millen? Robinson isn't leaving the Lions and if they pick up a new DT, I'd like someone with more of a pass-rushing presence. DRob is going to fetch more than that in an open market. Not really sure why they're targeting a DE either if Ogbah is being retained. With how that offseason is shaping up, if they're targeting a LB it direly needs to be a Mike. Not really understanding the OL pick up. I think they're going to be ok at Guard, if Rankin can pick up where he left off before the injury. Ldt isn't leaving yet. I'd like an upgrade at Center, but that's what I'd use a mid round pick on in the draft. Is that enough for you? Kudos to all the work you put in on doing the OP, I just don't agree with the moves. |
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11-23-2019, 05:48 PM | #11 | |
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I’d just bring Pennel back for cheaper. Paying big fatties is a dangerous proposition, they could get lazy quick. |
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11-23-2019, 11:27 PM | #12 | |
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11-23-2019, 11:35 PM | #13 |
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Paying anyone outside of a QB a big contract is a dangerous proposition. They seldom play to it, and the ones that do usually were drafted by the team paying them that 2nd contract. That said, I'd rather be on the hook for 50 million than 100. Frank Clark is seriously a scary deal right now and I don't want two of those by adding Jones to it.
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11-24-2019, 09:25 AM | #14 |
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We're really in need of at least two offensive line starters, and I would argue three. Both guards and center are subpar. That's why we can't run the ball, and they're shite at protecting Patrick. Drafting a RB when we haven't fully addressed that is literally a cart before the horse proposition. I get you signed one FA but honestly, No RB would be putting up numbers behind those three lame-asses.
I don't mind your FA pick-ups; they're alright and probably in the ballpark financially, but I'd argue that we are in more need at offensive line and LB than any other spots. I too am unsure about Jones; it'll depend on how he goes the rest of the season. He's clearly underperformed so far, but the whole defense has while adjusting to the new scheme. If he and Clark get hot together down the stretch, the play-offs could be fun. If that happens then I'd pay him and roll on. |
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11-24-2019, 10:17 PM | #15 |
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you're not going to flip your entire interior OL at once without some significant problems
Come the **** on people |
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