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**Rain Man** · 11-24-2018, 02:25 PM

Hypothetical Part 3: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.

This is the third poll in a six-part series.

Okay, we're not trading our franchise quarterback. Let's make that clear.

But if other teams were making us good-faith trade offers, what would be a fair offer? I've done the following to make some estimated trade packages, using the following algorithms.

I went to the NFL Network Top 100 players of last year. Recognizing that it includes some old declining players and at least one player who can't walk very well, and recognizing that Patrick Mahomes II is a young franchise quarterback, I'm assuming that Patrick Mahomes II is worth more than any player on the list, and generally worth much more.

If a team had three players on the list, I packaged those three players into an offer.

If a team had two players on the list, I added their 1st round pick from 2018.

If a team had one or zero players on the list, I packaged future 1st round picks so that the Chiefs would get three players in total.

If a team had more than three players on the list, I put together packages that added players in different scenarios until all of their top 100 players were included in a package.

By doing this, I came up with 60 total trade offers. I'll put them up in groups of 10, and your job is to assess whether or not it would be an equal or greater value than our own Patrick Mahomes II.

Important rule: Don't consider this poll as indicating that you would ACCEPT such a trade offer. Because trading Patrick Mahomes II would be insane. Just tell us whether you think those players would add equivalent value to the franchise.

Here's your third set of ten scenarios. The Jaguars and the Rams are upping their offer by throwing in Leonard Fournette and Aqib Talib on top of their previous offers.

Randallflagg · 11-24-2018, 03:11 PM

You are going to have to try a little harder for your "equivalency"....

Pat Mahomes is a god.......the sooner you get that through your head, the sooner you WILL realize that there is no "equivalent" available.....except maybe, just MAYBE Zeus....but even HE is a stretch.

Best22 · 11-24-2018, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randallflagg

You are going to have to try a little harder for your "equivalency"....

Pat Mahomes is a god.......the sooner you get that through your head, the sooner you WILL realize that there is no "equivalent" available.....except maybe, just MAYBE Zeus....but even HE is a stretch.

JakeF · 11-24-2018, 04:06 PM

You would have to be receiving a proven QB back in return. There just isn't anything worth a proven QB other than another proven QB. The only question is, what is the value difference between the 2 QBs involved and what else are you offering?

**BossChief** · 11-24-2018, 04:19 PM

I’d have to get the Rams deal and the Bucs deal to be worth it.

Or the Rams deal along with a first and second.

**Easy 6** · 11-24-2018, 05:43 PM

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No
NO
NO

Nirvana58 · 11-24-2018, 10:09 PM

The Rams offer wins you a Super Bowl. Donald with Talib to help fix the defense. (Ford, Houston, Donald, Jones, and Bailey

) Then Hunt and Gurley as a 1,2 punch. Jesus, Goff would never even have to throw.

Not saying I would make the trade. But Chiefs would more than likely go 16-0 with that team.

**The Franchise** · 11-24-2018, 10:58 PM

Rams and Colts together

**Buehler445** · 11-24-2018, 10:59 PM

Standard answer: As a long suffering chief fan, it is unconscionable.

View Poll Results: These packages reflect good trade value for P. Mahomes II. (Check all that apply.)
Vikings - Adam Thielen + Harrison Smith + Xavier Rhodes	0	0%
Buccaneers - Vita Vea + 2019 1st Round + 2020 1st Round	0	0%
Colts - Quenton Nelson + 2019 1st Round + 2020 1st Round	0	0%
Rams - Todd Gurley + Aaron Donald + Jared Goff + Aqib Talib	24	42.11%
Cowboys - Demarcus Lawrence + Tyron Smith + Ezekiel Elliott	0	0%
49ers - Richard Sherman + Jimmy Garoppolo + Mike McGlinchey	0	0%
Redskins - Trent Williams + Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix + Da'Ron Payne	0	0%
Jaguars - Calais Campbell + Jalen Ramsey + AJ Bouye + Leonard Fournette	1	1.75%
Steelers - Antonio Brown + Le'veon Bell + Ben Roethlisberger	2	3.51%
Texans - Deandre Hopkins + Jadaveon Clowney + Deshaun Watson	4	7.02%
None of these represent equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.	26	45.61%
I once saw Patrick Mahomes throw a ball 69 yards in the air.	16	28.07%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

11-24-2018, 02:25 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Hypothetical Part 3: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II. Hypothetical Part 3: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II. This is the third poll in a six-part series. Okay, we're not trading our franchise quarterback. Let's make that clear. But if other teams were making us good-faith trade offers, what would be a fair offer? I've done the following to make some estimated trade packages, using the following algorithms. I went to the NFL Network Top 100 players of last year. Recognizing that it includes some old declining players and at least one player who can't walk very well, and recognizing that Patrick Mahomes II is a young franchise quarterback, I'm assuming that Patrick Mahomes II is worth more than any player on the list, and generally worth much more. If a team had three players on the list, I packaged those three players into an offer. If a team had two players on the list, I added their 1st round pick from 2018. If a team had one or zero players on the list, I packaged future 1st round picks so that the Chiefs would get three players in total. If a team had more than three players on the list, I put together packages that added players in different scenarios until all of their top 100 players were included in a package. By doing this, I came up with 60 total trade offers. I'll put them up in groups of 10, and your job is to assess whether or not it would be an equal or greater value than our own Patrick Mahomes II. Important rule: Don't consider this poll as indicating that you would ACCEPT such a trade offer. Because trading Patrick Mahomes II would be insane. Just tell us whether you think those players would add equivalent value to the franchise. Here's your third set of ten scenarios. The Jaguars and the Rams are upping their offer by throwing in Leonard Fournette and Aqib Talib on top of their previous offers.
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11-24-2018, 03:11 PM	#16
Randallflagg MVP Randallflagg's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Olathe	You are going to have to try a little harder for your "equivalency".... Pat Mahomes is a god.......the sooner you get that through your head, the sooner you WILL realize that there is no "equivalent" available.....except maybe, just MAYBE Zeus....but even HE is a stretch.
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11-24-2018, 04:06 PM	#18
JakeF MVP JakeF's Avatar Join Date: May 2017	You would have to be receiving a proven QB back in return. There just isn't anything worth a proven QB other than another proven QB. The only question is, what is the value difference between the 2 QBs involved and what else are you offering?
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11-24-2018, 04:19 PM	#19
BossChief SuperBowl or bust BossChief's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa	I’d have to get the Rams deal and the Bucs deal to be worth it. Or the Rams deal along with a first and second.
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11-24-2018, 05:43 PM	#20
Easy 6 pie is never free Easy 6's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat	no No NO NO
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11-24-2018, 10:09 PM	#21
Nirvana58 Veteran Nirvana58's Avatar Join Date: May 2010	The Rams offer wins you a Super Bowl. Donald with Talib to help fix the defense. (Ford, Houston, Donald, Jones, and Bailey ) Then Hunt and Gurley as a 1,2 punch. Jesus, Goff would never even have to throw. Not saying I would make the trade. But Chiefs would more than likely go 16-0 with that team.
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11-24-2018, 10:58 PM	#22
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain The Franchise's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2006	Rams and Colts together
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11-24-2018, 10:59 PM	#23
Buehler445 Supporter Buehler445's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS	Standard answer: As a long suffering chief fan, it is unconscionable.
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