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ILChief · 01-07-2018, 07:46 AM

Ok, everyone knows Sutton needs to go. Aside from that, what defensive players are you comfortable keeping around for the foreseeable future?

I have Peters, Berry, Ragland, Jones, Houston ($$$?), Nelson

KPL has done well but is a free agent. Parker and Bailey are not going to be around much longer.

Guys like K Pass and Alighwe are unknowns

DJ, Hali, and Ford are goners.

We have a lot of work to do in defense

kcpasco · 01-07-2018, 01:11 PM

There are good players on this defense. Getting Berry back healthy will be huge. And Sutton needs to either change his scheme or gtfo.

**Easy 6** · 01-07-2018, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Just saw on NFL.com that the Titans have agreed to let Mike Mularkey remain head coach going into the 2018 season. We're so butt****ing bad we saved that idiots job.

The Chiefs are a buncha Mularkey

Jimmya · 01-07-2018, 01:13 PM

If they keep Sutton, it doesn't matter. He's old and WILL NOT adjust his defense.

hitchief · 01-07-2018, 01:22 PM

This D is a total cluster f***!!

Sutton of course is the first to go as he's way past his prime and offers us nothing scheme wise which was desperately needed yesterday. Some young up and coming D coord who isn't afraid to give up a big play now and again. Risk adverse is something I don't agree with in a D coord.

I agree with most in here that there are very few players that deserve to be rewarded and kept on the roster. I'm very afraid that Berry is going to come back and be a step slow just like DJ and Houston, which is the death nail for a FS. If that's the case, this D is a total gut job and the first 2 to 3 years of Pat's NFL career are not going to be easy.

**Ragged Robin** · 01-07-2018, 01:31 PM

There's massive, gaping holes in every level of the defense no matter how you look at it.

DL needs to be overhauled. Jones can stay for his remaining contact years.

MLBs and OLBs need to be overhauled. Houston is a great player but it's a waste for both parties for him to be here wasting away by himself on that utterly crippling contract. Ragland can stay but he still has a lot to prove, decent depth if nothing else.

Safeties need to be overhauled. Parker is decent in coverage but he is an empty jersey in run support. Seems like he was better playing as a nickel/FS tweener in his first year when he got to play man coverage rather than roam the field. Sorenson, a commendable "lunch pale" guy you want to have on your roster, IS NOT A STARTER. Severely lacks range to play the field on the backend and is way too soft in the box. We need an enforcer on the back end who can lay the wood. Suttons scheme having two "Free Safeties" doesn't work when you don't have a front seven that can stop the run.

CBs.. could always use more depth but if the starting corners next year is Peters & Nelson, I think we'll be OK.

lcarus · 01-07-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hitchief

This D is a total cluster f***!!

Sutton of course is the first to go as he's way past his prime and offers us nothing scheme wise which was desperately needed yesterday. Some young up and coming D coord who isn't afraid to give up a big play now and again. Risk adverse is something I don't agree with in a D coord.

I agree with most in here that there are very few players that deserve to be rewarded and kept on the roster. I'm very afraid that Berry is going to come back and be a step slow just like DJ and Houston, which is the death nail for a FS. If that's the case, this D is a total gut job and the first 2 to 3 years of Pat's NFL career are not going to be easy.

I've wanted Sutton fired for a while. The D has had some success during his tenure, sure. But games like this are just gonna keep happening at the worst times. I'm sick of QBs being so comfortable back there all night. We dominated them in the first half and then played chicken shit the rest of the game. I knew it would end us and it sure as hell did.

philfree · 01-07-2018, 01:46 PM

Yeah the D sucked as the game went on but it made the game winning play and it was disallowed. Unreal! Twice actually.

tmax63 · 01-07-2018, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Shut down Gronk in wk 1 and also made a key tackle as an Safety on a 4th-and-1 play in one-game this season. Had a bunch of INT-TDs that directly led to wins last season, had an INT in last seasons playoff gm... He is great in coverage and as a good run stopper. Hard hitter. Well respected and a known leader of the team... Voted #13 overall player by players last season.

You're a ****ing idiot if you think that when he is healthy he's overrated.

Key words is "when healthy". During his 8 year career he has missed over 40 games.

KranzDictum · 01-07-2018, 03:29 PM

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A reboot on defense spells bad news. But then again...how much worse can a defense get?

I like Parker but he looks done tbh. He has really taken a step back this year.

What is worse is only having 3 picks in the draft to try to fix it.

You guys have multiple holes at all 3 levels.

There might be a good DE pass rusher out there in FA but no way you are going to find a difference making OLB in FA or in the 2nd round.

Moving up to get Mahhomes really crippled you guys this offseason. Time to pay the piper. You don't have a lot of cap space either.

Houston looks slow, Hali is done, Zombo was blocked by a QB to end the game, Ford isn't worth anything and his back problems are lingering. You guys are over paying for Revis who was a non-factor. Peters needs to learn how to make a tackle, stripping the ball is great but you can't give up 1st downs trying to do so with the game on the line. Only good thing is you get Berry back.

It isn't Sutton's fault. If anything he has made the D better than it should have been at times during his tenure, this year included. He plays a bend but don't break style that usually works when they force a TO. Not getting any points off the 2 turnovers hurt you guys yesterday, that is on the O.

01-07-2018, 07:46 AM
ILChief MVP ILChief's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2001	State of the defense Ok, everyone knows Sutton needs to go. Aside from that, what defensive players are you comfortable keeping around for the foreseeable future? I have Peters, Berry, Ragland, Jones, Houston ($$$?), Nelson KPL has done well but is a free agent. Parker and Bailey are not going to be around much longer. Guys like K Pass and Alighwe are unknowns DJ, Hali, and Ford are goners. We have a lot of work to do in defense
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01-07-2018, 01:11 PM	#31
kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007	There are good players on this defense. Getting Berry back healthy will be huge. And Sutton needs to either change his scheme or gtfo.
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01-07-2018, 01:13 PM	#33
Jimmya Veteran Join Date: Dec 2012	If they keep Sutton, it doesn't matter. He's old and WILL NOT adjust his defense.
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01-07-2018, 01:22 PM	#34
hitchief Starter Join Date: Apr 2013	This D is a total cluster f***!! Sutton of course is the first to go as he's way past his prime and offers us nothing scheme wise which was desperately needed yesterday. Some young up and coming D coord who isn't afraid to give up a big play now and again. Risk adverse is something I don't agree with in a D coord. I agree with most in here that there are very few players that deserve to be rewarded and kept on the roster. I'm very afraid that Berry is going to come back and be a step slow just like DJ and Houston, which is the death nail for a FS. If that's the case, this D is a total gut job and the first 2 to 3 years of Pat's NFL career are not going to be easy.
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01-07-2018, 01:31 PM	#35
Ragged Robin Supporter Ragged Robin's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Seattle, WA	There's massive, gaping holes in every level of the defense no matter how you look at it. DL needs to be overhauled. Jones can stay for his remaining contact years. MLBs and OLBs need to be overhauled. Houston is a great player but it's a waste for both parties for him to be here wasting away by himself on that utterly crippling contract. Ragland can stay but he still has a lot to prove, decent depth if nothing else. Safeties need to be overhauled. Parker is decent in coverage but he is an empty jersey in run support. Seems like he was better playing as a nickel/FS tweener in his first year when he got to play man coverage rather than roam the field. Sorenson, a commendable "lunch pale" guy you want to have on your roster, IS NOT A STARTER. Severely lacks range to play the field on the backend and is way too soft in the box. We need an enforcer on the back end who can lay the wood. Suttons scheme having two "Free Safeties" doesn't work when you don't have a front seven that can stop the run. CBs.. could always use more depth but if the starting corners next year is Peters & Nelson, I think we'll be OK.
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01-07-2018, 01:46 PM	#37
philfree Indian Twitter philfree's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency	Yeah the D sucked as the game went on but it made the game winning play and it was disallowed. Unreal! Twice actually.
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