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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
The fact that people still refuse to give Dorsey any credit for pulling a rabbit out of the hat, misleading EVERYONE and executing a damn good trade to get immediately ahead of 2 teams that badly wanted Mahomes remains bizarre as hell.
He made the obvious right choice in 2013 w/ Fisher. Is it his fault that draft was tragically awful? No, no it is not.
Ford, LDT and Fulton were very good picks in '14. We'll always have a bad taste in our mouths over how Ford's tenure ended, but FFS, look at what most of the teams around us did. Relative to his peers, the Ford pick was excellent.
Peters, Morse, Conley and Nelson is a very good first 4 picks of '15 and I'd imagine few did better.
'16 yielded Chris Jones, Demarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill. But hey, that's only 2 guys that are considered top 5 in the sport at their positions - who cares?
'17 he executed the trade for Mahomes.
Seriously - what in the actual **** are you talking about? I won't try to debate Dorsey vs. Carl because I think they both did outstanding jobs and won't loudly argue w/ ranking either ahead of the other. But saying "Dorsey sucked ass in KC" is just facially ridiculous. He was, at worst, good over his period in Kansas City. In his 5 years he drafted, what, 9 Pro Bowlers? And acknowledge it or not (you won't) he was instrumental in the acquisition of Kelce, Hill, Jones and yes, Mahomes - all of whom could easily end up with legitimate HoF cases by the time their careers are over.
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I don't think that Dorsey made the most important picks that moved this franchise forward.
Fisher? You have to be kidding me. That's a Reid selection all day long, same with Kelce. It's been documented time and time again that Chris Ballard did all of the legwork on Marcus Peters.
Fulton and LDT are definitely Reid selections. His mother attended the same college as LDT in Canada! So basically ANY offensive lineman is an Andy selection, period, and there's no way you're going to convince me otherwise.
The Buffalo trade was NOT executed by Dorsey. For ****'s Sake Dude, McDermott and the rest of the Bills coaching staff and front office are basically Reid's children! He brought them up, trained them and in McDermott's case, fired them, too. There's no way that trade goes down like it does without Andy Reid's relationship with those guys.
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
Carl Peterson was the GM for 20 drafts - Dorsey for 5. And you're honestly going to try to use a count of HoFers as your barometer? Especially when there's a solid possibility that Dorsey comes out ahead in 5 years of where Peterson was over 20.
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The comparison was an apt comparison. Peterson's first five years drafting versus Dorsey's first five years of drafting.
In hindsight, Dorsey should never have been the hire. He and Reid obviously clashed on personnel, something that hasn't happened since Brett Veach has become the GM.
And Dorsey didn't help his reputation in Cleveland, either. Maybe he hit on Nick Chubb and the jury's still out on Mayfield (although those deliberations are certainly siding against him at this point) but I just don't believe he brought anything "special" to the table.
Without Reid, Dorsey would have never become an NFL GM.