Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14406874)

Man I just don’t know about that

I think Hill is a bit of an outlier. You take him away from the offense and they become easier to defense. Belicheck said the same thing

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14406892)

I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14406885)

Hardman changes that conversation

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14406894)

But how many of those teams made it to the champ game or the super bowl?

It’s hard to win man. But the chiefs historic offense got them about as close as possible to a super bowl. Once you get that far you’re gonna have to play other elite teams

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14406898)

Hardman hasn’t caught a pass from Mahomes in a game yet

Let’s pump the brakes a bit

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14406901)

Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14406903)

I don’t like this thought process that Hardman can just step in a be Tyreek Light... are we forgetting that Watkins is far from a guarantee to be out there all season long?

I don’t see them trading Hill at all right now. But if they did, good chance you see our WR lineup as Hardman, D-Rob, and ?..... for at least a couple weeks.

Yuck.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14406901)

Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14406905)

devils advocate

Mahomes wouldn’t stop being Mahomes if we lose Hill. He would still have multiple top shelf receiving targets. Hardman isn’t proven, but his talents are undeniable.

The defense NEEDS a top shelf corner to have the ability to play aggressive.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14406803)

If they trade him this close to week 1, fire everyone.

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 14406886)

I do not want to trade Tyreek.
I do not think we will trade Tyreek.

That said... if we did... my thoughts below:

• The Chiefs probably spent time this Spring imagining an offense and team in 2019 without Tyreek because of the drama, even if for just a short time. They had to think through contingency plans.
• The Chiefs probably spent time imagining an offense and team in 2020 and beyond without Tyreek because of his, Jones’ and Pat’s contracts. He has Rosenhaus as his agent.
• That plan could have included Tremon’s move to offense (failed test) and signing DAT (distraction speed - meh).
• If their plan is good enough in their minds, and if the payment is good enough, then they consider a trade.
• Not one player Veach has sent packing via cut or trade has gone on to do shit. I trust him in this area.
• Obviously Tyreek is different. But no one can use Tyreek like Reid and Pat.
• Teams may think they are buying low on Tyreek because of timing and drama, but the Chiefs would not sell him low.

• One trade I’d consider: Tyreek for PP and the Cards’ 2020 1st. That’s an elite corner for 10 games + playoffs and a top-5 pick.
• Another trade to consider: Tyreek for Jalen Ramsey. Talent wise, it’s a net loss, but you pay a tax for moving the talent to the other side of the ball. Money-wise, this trade does not make sense.
• Only other trade I would consider: 2 first rounders from a really shitty team.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14406892)

I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14406906)

Terrell Owens.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14406901)

Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot