ChiefsPlanet - Mock 11/23/19

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14618544)

I've mentioned Warner as the kind of guy we should've stumbled onto at least once over the last decade if we had just TRIED.

The problem is how little effort we've put into the off-ball linebacker spot. The team post-Carl has treated ILB/MLB like Carl treated QBs. And to nobody's surprise, it's not going well.

Yep.

A few 2nds, and a 3rd here or there and maybe you've got someone.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14618547)

Yep.

A few 2nds, and a 3rd here or there and maybe you've got someone.

Just look at this shit:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1496

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Same thread:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1547

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Gotta at least pretend to give a shit about a position in the draft in order to get any kind of productivity from it.

Yeah, they haven't done shit at that spot, it shows.

I also think Ragland is playing pretty well right now, wonder what they do with him.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14618497)

Yeah, for sure. It's all a crap shoot.

It just sucks double the amount cause Speaks sucks.

He's had one season playing the wrong position how do you know he sucks already

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14618904)

He's had one season playing the wrong position how do you know he sucks already

I'm open for a bet of some sort here.

I don't KNOW the sun will rise tomorrow...but I'm pretty sure of it. And I'm pretty damn sure that Breeland Speaks sucks. Sure enough that I don't feel the need to qualify it every time I say it.

We ain't in a court of law and I don't stand on ceremony. So rather than repeatedly say "I'm pretty sure Breeland Speaks sucks" I'm just gonna say "Speaks sucks" as a shorthand.

Because Speaks sucks.

CB and ILB

I think those will be the top 2 picks in the draft. Really good ones are rarely available and when they are, you have to pay out the ass for them. Draft is the best place to get those positions.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14618385)

Dylan Moses make it to us in your world?

I very much doubt that he does because teams seem to dock guys maybe 5-10 spots for injuries like that if they're considered premier talents. So if he was maybe a top 10 pick before the injury, you figure late teens after. And if he tests well, he'll lose hardly any ground at all.

And with Bush and White both struggling this year (Bush came out on fire but has fallen off over the last several weeks) it seems like it's just !@#$ing hard to play MLB in this league right now.

Maybe we didn't understand just how friggen hard it is to find someone like Derrick Johnson. I mean everyone else we talk about when we say "X would fix so many problems for us on this defense at MLB" is a HoF guy. Schobert's the only dude I've seen who fits who isn't someone like Keuchly or Wagner who are possible first ballot dudes.

It just seems the 2nd tier of 'really good MLBs' is damn near barren right now. They're either elite or they're crap.

If Moses declares after a season-ending knee injury. I haven't really put him on the radar until I see he does that. If he does, he certainly is in the realm of possibility. Obviously the situation isn't quite the same as Jaylon Smith because Moses should be able to run well by the time the draft rolls, but that injury may stick in people's heads when the draft comes.

Only reason I've pumped the brakes on Shobert was looking at the Browns free agent list. I think he gets tagged. He's been playing good enough football the past few years I think he's just as well on pace as Keuchly and Wagner at this point in his career. I don't think the Browns let that walk.

As for RB, I seriously considered mocking a FA pickup of Jordan Howard. He's the big back that can do everything that Veach seems to like and he won't come with the price tag that guys like Bell and Henry will.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14618554)

Gotta at least pretend to give a shit about a position in the draft in order to get any kind of productivity from it.

I agree with this. I followed a bit of the Chiefs' recent philosophy and I threw a later pick at the position pretty much every year in the alternate reality mocks and finally may have hit on a 5th rounder in Cole Holcomb.

2016 (4-99) - Josh Perry - Whiff
2017 (5-148) - Blair Brown - Whiff
2018 - None
2019 - (5-178) - Cole Holcomb - Starting w/ 76 tackles

That's not going to cut it when you only have one somewhat decent LB on the entire team.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14618288)

If Door #1 is Chris Jones and Door #2 is Robinson, Breeland and a couple of 2nd day picks, gimme door #1 without hesitation.

Don't know that I agree with you all on this. If it's a trade to a team like Miami where you're getting pick 35/36 plus a day 2 pick and a player, then that's good value.

I very nearly went with LB Kenneth Murray in 1 and then CB Bryce Hall at that 35/36 spot. In retrospect, and judging by reactions, that's probably what I should have mocked to begin with.

I'd much rather Robinson, Breeland, Murray and Hall than I would just Murray and Jones. That all said, I'm working on something else for you guys to chew on at the moment that retains Jones and makes a free agent splash.

If they can't get a good enough return in a trade than I'd let him just play on the tag

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14619550)

IMO, got to fix OL and RB 1st and foremost . There are needs at LB and CB but securing the Mahomes investment takes priority

let's just start with Tyler Biadasz.

Then a LB in the second.

Maybe a RB in the 3rd. We seem to have good luck with 3rd round runners.

and then another fatty.

and then another fatty.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14623265)

let's just start with Tyler Biadasz.

Then a LB in the second.

Maybe a RB in the 3rd. We seem to have good luck with 3rd round runners.

and then another fatty.

and then another fatty.

1. Biadasz
2. Phillips (LSU linebacker)
3. Chuba Hubbard (RB, OK State)

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14623311)

1. Biadasz
2. Phillips (LSU linebacker)
3. Chuba Hubbard (RB, OK State)

I want a Biad-ass and a Chubba Hubba.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14623265)

let's just start with Tyler Biadasz.

Then a LB in the second.

Maybe a RB in the 3rd. We seem to have good luck with 3rd round runners.

and then another fatty.

and then another fatty.

Which fatty lines up at corner