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BryanBusby 12-26-2018 06:30 PM

There is no and/or. It's Corner and I think that's it.

Scandrick and Nelson are FA's in the Spring. No way is Nelson worth the contract he'll get and Scandrick needs to just go.

Fuller needs to stay inside, so they need to find 2 starting corners. If you're not going to make Corner your number one pick than well enjoy seeing teams pass allover again.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-26-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13988642)
There is no and/or. It's Corner and I think that's it.

Scandrick and Nelson are FA's in the Spring. No way is Nelson worth the contract he'll get and Scandrick needs to just go.

Fuller needs to stay inside, so they need to find 2 starting corners. If you're not going to make Corner your number one pick than well enjoy seeing teams pass allover again.

Well perhaps but who is to say that they won’t sign a couple of corners who can start as insurance? There is zero chance Veach enters the draft knowing that he HAS to get 2 corners. It’s not his style.

I think he loves to have flexibility and options. I want a corner in the first two days of the draft, maybe multiple. But I don’t expect the depth to be near as thin come draft day as it is currently.

BryanBusby 12-26-2018 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13988659)
Well perhaps but who is to say that they won’t sign a couple of corners who can start as insurance? There is zero chance Veach enters the draft knowing that he HAS to get 2 corners. It’s not his style.

I think he loves to have flexibility and options. I want a corner in the first two days of the draft, maybe multiple. But I don’t expect the depth to be near as thin come draft day as it is currently.

Than I hope he enjoys fielding the 32nd ranked Defense again. The FA class is garbo.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-26-2018 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13988663)
Than I hope he enjoys fielding the 32nd ranked Defense again. The FA class is garbo.

It doesn’t have any superstars in it, but that’s not the type of player we’d likely be signing anyways in all likelihood. But just looking at names, there are some options there that would almost certainly be upgrades to what we’ve had this season.

Sounds like we’re damned either way because the ILBs on the roster suck just as bad or worse than the corners.

Chief Northman 12-26-2018 07:24 PM

If you can nab one of White or Wilson at LB, you are talking Kuechly/Jaylon Smith type talent. You build defenses around these guys.

Greedy Williams and Byron Murphy will be long gone and are really the only two elite corners in this draft, with maybe an undersized Kris Boyd getting consideration. After that you can get good to great corners, but not “elite” players like the two linebackers.

ntexascardfan 12-26-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13988716)
If you can nab one of White or Wilson at LB, you are talking Kuechly/Jaylon Smith type talent. You build defenses around these guys.

Greedy Williams and Byron Murphy will be long gone and are really the only two elite corners in this draft, with maybe an undersized Kris Boyd getting consideration. After that you can get good to great corners, but not “elite” players like the two linebackers.

We can probably get Boyd on day three. Scouts aren't particularly in love with his game atm. I'm a Longhorn fan and have watched every game this season, he hasn't held up well against elite WR competition in the Big XII. Here is what an agent said about him a few weeks back.

"It is "idiotic" that CB Kris Boyd has been invited to the Senior Bowl, but, has yet to accept the invitation. This agent is not going after Boyd (did not specify why), but has done work on him and says that he is not a player with high enough draft stock to forego such an opportunity. He said that maybe he already has an agent in mind to sign with who is giving him awful advice, or maybe he is just waiting to sign with an agent before officially accepting the offer, so as not commit to anything he'll have to back out of later.

The fact is, though, he is not seen as an elite prospect at this time and could really help himself with a good week in Mobile. He needs to accept the invitation before new Senior Bowl director Jim Nagy gives his spot to someone else. Boyd should feel like he has a lot to prove after a very disappointing end to his senior season at Texas based on bad individual performances in high-visibility matchups. Here's hoping he accepts the offer any day now, and will be joining teammate Charles Omenihu for the showcase of a lifetime in front of literally every important NFL decision-maker."

BryanBusby 12-26-2018 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13988667)
It doesn’t have any superstars in it, but that’s not the type of player we’d likely be signing anyways in all likelihood. But just looking at names, there are some options there that would almost certainly be upgrades to what we’ve had this season.

Sounds like we’re damned either way because the ILBs on the roster suck just as bad or worse than the corners.

I think you can possibly find a decent #2 corner option in FA, but we'll have to rely on the draft to find a #1.

This isn't a balls deep corner draft, so I don't see finding one in the mid round range. I think you've got to burn a 1 to land a #1 corner.

There are some trade options (imo) and Day 2 possibilities to address ILB, which I think they're only going to draft for one slot. Hitchens isn't going anywhere for awhile.

O.city 12-27-2018 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13988929)
I think you can possibly find a decent #2 corner option in FA, but we'll have to rely on the draft to find a #1.

This isn't a balls deep corner draft, so I don't see finding one in the mid round range. I think you've got to burn a 1 to land a #1 corner.

There are some trade options (imo) and Day 2 possibilities to address ILB, which I think they're only going to draft for one slot. Hitchens isn't going anywhere for awhile.

I'd send our first to the Jags for Ramsey if they'd do it.

BryanBusby 12-27-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13989515)
I'd send our first to the Jags for Ramsey if they'd do it.

I think it would take more than a 1 to get him.

O.city 12-27-2018 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13989659)
I think it would take more than a 1 to get him.

Both of our 2nds

I dunno though, maybe something similar to the PEters deal if they're ready to just move on.

Chris Meck 12-27-2018 02:58 PM

with 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, I really want to keep them all.

kccrow 12-27-2018 03:34 PM

You might be able to get Bouye from the Jags for a 2nd and something else, similar to the Peters deal, but I can't fathom any reason they'd let Ramsey go while he's still on his rookie deal.

O.city 12-27-2018 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13989788)
You might be able to get Bouye from the Jags for a 2nd and something else, similar to the Peters deal, but I can't fathom any reason they'd let Ramsey go while he's still on his rookie deal.

If they aren't going to sign Ramsey to a long term deal and he's a headache, same as the Peters situation.

RunKC 12-27-2018 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13988642)
There is no and/or. It's Corner and I think that's it.

Scandrick and Nelson are FA's in the Spring. No way is Nelson worth the contract he'll get and Scandrick needs to just go.

Fuller needs to stay inside, so they need to find 2 starting corners. If you're not going to make Corner your number one pick than well enjoy seeing teams pass allover again.

Yeah I agree. It’s a passing league.

I like Fuller, but we need a bigger corner to be able to battle real WR’s. It was pitiful seeing Nelson get his shit kicked in by Mike Williams over and over.

I think you can find an ILB after the first rd. I’d look for a player with the measurables.

6’3”, around 240, 40 time in the 4.6 range and a 3 cone below 7 (ideally).

Lot of quality ILB’s that are in that range that were picked after round 1. Zach Cunningham, Alex Anzalone, Gerard Avery.

But yeah I think CB is where we need to start.

kccrow 12-27-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13989802)
If they aren't going to sign Ramsey to a long term deal and he's a headache, same as the Peters situation.

True, but I have no indication that he's a headache. Peters was and is an obvious problem child and it was no secret to anyone throughout his career in college and the pros that he was an issue for coaches. I haven't heard the same about Ramsey. Ramsey runs his mouth a lot, taunting other players, but I haven't heard rumblings about issues with coaches or teammates. I'd sure appreciate being pointed to anything stating that he is if it exists.


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