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DJ's left nut 11-25-2019 09:19 AM

If Door #1 is Chris Jones and Door #2 is Robinson, Breeland and a couple of 2nd day picks, gimme door #1 without hesitation.

I like what Breeland's done quite a bit....at $1.5 million. But the guy sucks in coverage. He's a good soldier back there and a solid physical presence. I like Breeland the guy. But there's no way in hell I'm giving him that kind of money when he just can't stay in a guy's pocket. He looks to me to have incredibly stiff hips and very little short area quickness. Quick WRs give him fits and frankly, bigger ones can as well because he has to gather a bit to go up and make a play on the ball.

Nah - just too much money for a guy who's been pretty fungible this year. He's not playing much better than Claiborne so I think I'd just shotgun numbers at the position again before i gave him that kind of deal.

I'd sign Jones, stick him at SDE, re-sign Pennel and let Saunders/Nnadi man the middle before I'd deal Jones for that kind of dick return (though you're right, that's what Veach will get) and spend similar money on Breeland/Robinson.

O.city 11-25-2019 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14617994)
LMAO you're not going to flip your entire interior OL at once without some significant problems

Come the **** on people

Normally, no. But the ones they have in there now aren't very good so I dunno that trying to upgrade it will matter much.

O.city 11-25-2019 09:30 AM

Derrick Henry is a free agent this year.

Any interest?

DJ's left nut 11-25-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14618309)
Derrick Henry is a free agent this year.

Any interest?

None.

Not being a good pass-catcher is a bit of a problem. But the biggest problem is that he's a tall, heavy back that runs upright. So A) he takes a HELL of a beating out there and B) once he gets paid he could turn into a fat tub o' goo.

I was a fan of Mark Ingram as a target last year because he'd become a very powerful but still explosive back. He has good hands and runs behind his pads so he doesn't take the kind of pounding that Henry does. He's had some weight struggles but seemed to really get a handle on them his last few years in NO (and completely reinvented his body) which suggested a true lifestyle change that would allow him to age well.

Henry's still a fat guy waiting to happen, IMO. And when combined with the iffy scheme fit and abuse he'll take, I'm just not looking that way. Besides, he's so important to that Titans 'exotic run scheme' or whatever the hell they're calling it that they'll probably overpay him. He's worth more to them on their roster than he is to anyone else on theirs.

O.city 11-25-2019 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14618367)
None.

Not being a good pass-catcher is a bit of a problem. But the biggest problem is that he's a tall, heavy back that runs upright. So A) he takes a HELL of a beating out there and B) once he gets paid he could turn into a fat tub o' goo.

I was a fan of Mark Ingram as a target last year because he'd become a very powerful but still explosive back. He has good hands and runs behind his pads so he doesn't take the kind of pounding that Henry does. He's had some weight struggles but seemed to really get a handle on them his last few years in NO (and completely reinvented his body) which suggested a true lifestyle change that would allow him to age well.

Henry's still a fat guy waiting to happen, IMO. And when combined with the iffy scheme fit and abuse he'll take, I'm just not looking that way. Besides, he's so important to that Titans 'exotic run scheme' or whatever the hell they're calling it that they'll probably overpay him. He's worth more to them on their roster than he is to anyone else on theirs.

I dunno that he'd be one to have a weight problem, he's always been jacked and never really struggled with weight before.

He's not a great fit, but I think he'd help the offense as they need some power implemented. He hasn't been a good pass catcher, but has he really been asked to be?

O.city 11-25-2019 10:18 AM

Mark Ingram was a really good signing, would have been a damn nice fit here.

I really think Leveon is in Kc next year, like it or not.

DJ's left nut 11-25-2019 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14615718)
Remarks in red, and thanks!

Dylan Moses make it to us in your world?

I very much doubt that he does because teams seem to dock guys maybe 5-10 spots for injuries like that if they're considered premier talents. So if he was maybe a top 10 pick before the injury, you figure late teens after. And if he tests well, he'll lose hardly any ground at all.

And with Bush and White both struggling this year (Bush came out on fire but has fallen off over the last several weeks) it seems like it's just !@#$ing hard to play MLB in this league right now.

Maybe we didn't understand just how friggen hard it is to find someone like Derrick Johnson. I mean everyone else we talk about when we say "X would fix so many problems for us on this defense at MLB" is a HoF guy. Schobert's the only dude I've seen who fits who isn't someone like Keuchly or Wagner who are possible first ballot dudes.

It just seems the 2nd tier of 'really good MLBs' is damn near barren right now. They're either elite or they're crap.

DJ's left nut 11-25-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14618376)
I dunno that he'd be one to have a weight problem, he's always been jacked and never really struggled with weight before.

He's not a great fit, but I think he'd help the offense as they need some power implemented. He hasn't been a good pass catcher, but has he really been asked to be?

You're right - I had his weight issues tangled up with Eddie Lacy's. So scratch that particular complaint. You're probably right, weight may not be an issue.

But he DOES run super-upright and is a tall dude to begin with. He takes a lot of body blows.

O.city 11-25-2019 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14618385)
Dylan Moses make it to us in your world?

I very much doubt that he does because teams seem to dock guys maybe 5-10 spots for injuries like that if they're considered premier talents. So if he was maybe a top 10 pick before the injury, you figure late teens after. And if he tests well, he'll lose hardly any ground at all.

And with Bush and White both struggling this year (Bush came out on fire but has fallen off over the last several weeks) it seems like it's just !@#$ing hard to play MLB in this league right now.

Maybe we didn't understand just how friggen hard it is to find someone like Derrick Johnson. I mean everyone else we talk about when we say "X would fix so many problems for us on this defense at MLB" is a HoF guy. Schobert's the only dude I've seen who fits who isn't someone like Keuchly or Wagner who are possible first ballot dudes.

It just seems the 2nd tier of 'really good MLBs' is damn near barren right now. They're either elite or they're crap.

RunKc brought it up, but Breeland Speaks over Fred Warner is tough to swallow.

O.city 11-25-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14618388)
You're right - I had his weight issues tangled up with Eddie Lacy's. So scratch that particular complaint. You're probably right, weight may not be an issue.

But he DOES run super-upright and is a tall dude to begin with. He takes a lot of body blows.

He's definitely an upright runner, but damn he is tough to tackle.

Like I said, I think when the Jets cut Leveon he ends up here in Kc.

Toad 11-25-2019 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14618385)
Dylan Moses make it to us in your world?

I very much doubt that he does because teams seem to dock guys maybe 5-10 spots for injuries like that if they're considered premier talents. So if he was maybe a top 10 pick before the injury, you figure late teens after. And if he tests well, he'll lose hardly any ground at all.

And with Bush and White both struggling this year (Bush came out on fire but has fallen off over the last several weeks) it seems like it's just !@#$ing hard to play MLB in this league right now.

Maybe we didn't understand just how friggen hard it is to find someone like Derrick Johnson. I mean everyone else we talk about when we say "X would fix so many problems for us on this defense at MLB" is a HoF guy. Schobert's the only dude I've seen who fits who isn't someone like Keuchly or Wagner who are possible first ballot dudes.

It just seems the 2nd tier of 'really good MLBs' is damn near barren right now. They're either elite or they're crap.

Moses dropping to KC would be good, but Schobert would be ideal in that he would hit the ground running as a true QB of the defense.

Here is a hair brained idea: player (and potential picks) tag and trade swap of CJones for Schobert.

The Franchise 11-25-2019 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14618391)
RunKc brought it up, but Breeland Speaks over Fred Warner is tough to swallow.

Yeah and it happens to every team. There are other fan boards out there taking about taking player A over Kelce. I don’t get the need to whine about it. There is no team out there that hits on every pick.

O.city 11-25-2019 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14618491)
Yeah and it happens to every team. There are other fan boards out there taking about taking player A over Kelce. I don’t get the need to whine about it. There is no team out there that hits on every pick.

Yeah, for sure. It's all a crap shoot.

It just sucks double the amount cause Speaks sucks.

The Franchise 11-25-2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14618497)
Yeah, for sure. It's all a crap shoot.

It just sucks double the amount cause Speaks sucks.

It does but no one gets to talk shit if they weren’t banging the table for someone like Warner.

Case in point. DJ and I were yelling for us to draft Kamara.

DJ's left nut 11-25-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14618391)
RunKc brought it up, but Breeland Speaks over Fred Warner is tough to swallow.

I've mentioned Warner as the kind of guy we should've stumbled onto at least once over the last decade if we had just TRIED.

The problem is how little effort we've put into the off-ball linebacker spot. The team post-Carl has treated ILB/MLB like Carl treated QBs. And to nobody's surprise, it's not going well.


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