Netflix: Iron Fist
 

In the defenders thread, but it'll need its own space too I figure...

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How can all these different shows look so good?!?

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fuck YEAH!

Ehh. Maybe....

Nice.

Looks good, but it has a very heavy Oliver Queen vibe to it....

It'll be good, probably not as good as Daredevil, just like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage fell short of Daredevil as well imo.

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Rich white kid disappears and comes back to run family's mega corporation while fighting crime at night..

Haven't we already seen this before, like, a million ****ing times??

Iron Fist just isn't really that interesting for me. It's the Batman story with a fancy glowing hand.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Isn't this just batman with karate instead of a toolbelt?

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Jessica Jones was on Daredevil level IMO. Just way different kind of structure. JMO.

Sorry, but a 100 pound girl would get her ass beat by two guys that size in real life.

JFC it's god damned super hero TV show.

If your looking for "real life" go back to your housewives of wherever the ****.

If they base it off the 2000s Iron Fist series, no it isn't like Batman except for the fact that they both use martial arts.

Exactly.

Fisty is more mystical/supernatural instead of detective/crime oriented.

Netflix: Iron Fist
 

Batman meets Dr Strange.

Joy..

I'll watch it. Netflix hasn't made a bad Marvel series yet.

I like to pronounce it "Kah-Rah-Tay."

That's really bad.

None of those 'strikes' look even remotely powerful. It looks faker than pro-wrestling.

Eh, as someone who knows little about fighting choreography I thought it was pretty decent. Lazily written scene that's been done many times before and better, but I don't really expect better fight scenes than that in a television show. Usually they're smoothed out with heavy shadow and tight shots that obscure the action. I give props for degree of difficulty in comparison.

When you compare that to the scenes in something like The Badlands, it's blown off the screen.

And these are equally little people (often women) who look like they're actually delivering a blow. It's damn impressive.

I don't know anything about fight choreography, I just know that looked like a person swatting flies and yet 250 lb men were flying across the screen. Like I said, it looked like bad wrestling.

More like Wuxia film set in NYC.

Just watched a couple badlands fight scenes. Kinda hard to compare due to the stylized, Kill Bill meets Crouching Tiger style of violence, but I do see what you're getting at.

Then I guess I'll go back to an earlier response - "it's a superhero show".

They aren't perfect comparisons, but we're not dealing in completely real world logic here so if it takes a little 'stylizing' to make the fight look like something with some nominal grasp on actual physics (or at least the whole 'force = mass*acceleration thing), then stylize it a bit.

That could've been much, much better.

It's certainly nothing like the Daredevil fights.

Sounds like fun to me.

In Hollywood, Grrrl power > laws of physics

That's even more obvious when you talk fantasy/superhero stuff

All of this shit is unrealistic.

It's not like a 5'7" Tom Cruise would have a much better chance of doing the things he does on camera than these women do.

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I'm not impressed with the actor playing the lead role. Hopefully it's just the trailer but he comes off as kind of a lightweight to me. DareDevil did a great job with its characters (except Froggy) feeling like the they had the weight of real people going about their storylines. Jessica Jones' character development(?) was similar even if not quite as good, but I have a thing for Krysten Ritter and her character was really fun to watch anyway. Luke Cage was all right-but the plot dragged and dragged and dragged while they seemed to focus on atmosphere and getting the show to feel like a blaxploitation comic from the 70's. Maybe I'm just too much of an old fart but this just looks like a kid running around punching things. Meh.

Iron Fist is supposed to be the least angsty of the "Defenders" like I said more of a Wuxia movie instead of the black & grey morality of Daredevil, the dark noir of Jessica Jones, or the blaxplotation of Cage.

Hopefully, this is just set up for Seven Cities of Heaven as season 2.

That's actually exactly what I'm hoping for. While I love all the Netflix Marvel shows, I'm looking forward to a show with much less plot and much more action. Just a fun Sunday afternoon monster/kung fu marathon full of meaningless story but fun action.

First review I've seen, not too positive: http://www.blastr.com/2017-3-8/marvel-iron-fist-review

If I remember a year ago, Sagers liked Luke Cage (I did not...) so I'm not too concerned yet. Opinions vary...

Still, not sounding great.

Yeah, I'm not getting a good feeling about this one. I really like Jessica Jones, Daredevil was cool, and Luke Cage was decent. This one doesn't have me excited in the slightest.

I have super low expectations. Just some mindless action fun.

I'm waiting for Punisher. Really high expectations for that one.

Yeah. There is about no way it can live up to the performance that Bernthal put out in Daredevil. That was amazing.

But yeah. I'll be binging that.

I figure that they've done so well with everything on and off netflix (agents/carter/daredevil/JJ/LC) that even if it's a bit off like Luke Cage, it's still better than most anything else these days.

Rotten Tomatoes has it at a 9% on 11 reviews. Not looking too promising.

I'm not sure how anything can be on RT yet. They only released 6 episodes on the screeners.

Let me rephrase that. I know how it's on RT, I just don't get how people are giving full reviews based on 60% of the show.

Still, if critics watched 605 of the the show and 88% of them thought it sucked, that's a pretty bad sign. Critics have loved all the Netflix Marvel shows so far. Iron Fist might be suffering from some fatigue in regards to the mood and style that these shows share, but I am not expecting much based on this reception. We'll see I guess.

Marvel has the deepest roster of great characters​ of any fictional universe there is.
Most of them with really good back stories.

you do realize the RT reviews: 11 people

not that i expect much from this show, 11 people do not make a majority ROFL

It's tough to get excited about a show when you think the lead was a poor choice.

Admittedly I hadn't looked at the total number and that is awfully low, but it's still 11 people who get paid to watch television and know what they're talking about. I'm not saying it's gospel. Pretty bad sign, though.


Edit: Went and looked again. 21 reviews in FWIW.

Several I have read say it's very boring. Might be the first dud for a higher profile show.

Boring may only be an issue for the add-addled under 25 crowd. We'll see. There's also 7 episodes that haven't screened anywhere.

Seems like I'm also reading a lot of "netflix missed an opportunity to go with an asian-american lead". Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but whatever. People were trying to get netflix to do that months before the show was even cast. I guess folks aren't ever going to happy when they don't get their way.

**** Marvel. **** your comic books, nerds.

Charlie seems to like it. That's a good sign, from my perspective.

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I was going to post that. Yeah, he's been pretty spot on as far as things being good.

He did kind of leave it at, well, the next 7 episodes are probably going to be the good part so it won't suck. Plus if they are pissed because they didn't cast an asian dude as the lead, well, that would lend itself to an unreasonably bad rating.

Watch out folks, Rudy has a hot take.

Well, I made it through 5 episodes before crashing and I think it's solid so far. 2nd episode was a little slow, that's my only negative. Way more into this at this point than Luke Cage last year. Really feels like it's ramping up into the second half of the season.

Liking it way more than LC, which I never completed. Lots of complaints about it being slow, but I'm enjoying it... even if it does feel like a Marvel version of Arrow.

on episode 8. it's not terrible, but the glowing hand is silly. why not both hands? why not his feet too? and the asian chic in her yoga pants.....someone needs to tell the whole humanity of women STOP ****ING WEARING YOUR TIGHTY WHITIES UNDER THEM.

****in' hell, wear a thong would ya :D

It's pretty decent. Better than most shit on TV, even if it isn't as good as Daredevil or Jessica Jones.

Haven't found it boring yet. It is slowly showing and not hitting you with a bunch of exposition off the bat. Also dropping in a lot of comic book stuff. About the only thing that hasn't been name dropped is Yu Ti, even as far as Colleen calling herself the Daughter of the Dragon.

quite anti climactic. cheesy ima badass but want to cry sometimes superhero. not enough carryover from the other series and the soundtrack sounded like it was taken from stranger things (i get, but unoriginal). 6/10

Through episode 10, and pretty disappointed so far. The actor playing Rand is horrible. He's about as graceful as 3 legged hippo. Feels like I'm watching a high school drama club do kung fu theater. The drunken master fight scene was stupid.

Easily the worst of all Netflix / Marvel shows so far.

defo should have had someone different in rands role. the rest of the show was actually decent. when more than two people were fighting, you got the daredevil vibe. but when rand is by himself, he cannot sell a fight scene. too much karate kid in the show. :D

Finished it yesterday. I'd put it behind DD and JJ, above LC.

It wasn't bad, but there needed to be much less Meacham family drama, much less Rand corporation stuff, much more background and development of Colleen Wing, so her reveal makes more sense, better overall fight choreography and just more stuff about K'un L'un and why Danny left.

All things that can I think be pretty easily fixed going forward. I though they did do a good job setting up season 2.

I'm only on episode 3 or 4


But the guys playing the father/son Meachems are really well cast. Effectively slimey.

The girl playing Joy is smoking hot.

I'm liking it a lot so far.

They were good, but you'll probably see what I mean as you get further along. Or not. YMMV...

Just started watching it today, two episodes in. I went in with very low expectations and was pleasantly surprised. Fight scenes are shit though.

I don't like her. She's not attractive to me in the slightest. I can't say why. She's not ugly. She doesn't appear to have a bad body. She's just...there. Might as well be a doorknob or a lamp.

This is my main problem with it. They could have ****ed up everything else about it, but the fight scenes with Rand just seem to get worse as the season progresses. I find it hilarious that the best fight scenes in the show are the ones with the "weak girl" that everybody complained about in the trailer. Rand is a complete waste.

The actor playing Rand sucks.

Yup.

I think if you combined the two 'boys' you'd get Keanu Reeves.

i couldn't get over how many actors couldn't hide their british accents :D

I'm halfway through episode four and Rand is the dumbest superhero I've seen since The Tick. I don't mean that the show is dumb, I mean the character is stupid.

It is slow. But I think they had to, not many know about iron fist.

if it didn't take netflix so long to figure proper casting earlier, and had a script to begin with, they could have better integrated him in the other series.

i think they deliberately waited till the last knowing how hard a sell it would be.:D

I always thought him and cage were horrible characters. I didn't like iron fist until he was in the young avengers or what ever it was called tv show led by spiderman and fury.

His fight scenes are not on par with daredevil, which you would figure 15 years of training by monks would be better.

Also. I am not understanding the hate luke cage series is getting. I thought it was decent.

Ahhhhh...****. Episode 10. Dance Magic!

The bad guys in this show are done by better actors than the good guys. Even when they get on a roll (good guys) the writing is holding them back. The Gao interrogation scene is a good example of this. And the lead isn't believable at all. I'm beyond sick of the man-child hippy shit. Hearing him mention that he was trained in self control, and then seeing him do stupid shit and get angry when it doesn't work. And the sprinklings of pretend Eastern mysticism in the dialogue leave him sounding like that 30 year old idiot friend on Face Book who just discovered New Age bullshit that's been around in this country for 50+ years or so. I like the sidekick. She's a cutie. I enjoyed seeing the Night Nurse and Gao show up-but they both just remind me that I'm still waiting for another season of DareDevil.

I thought Ward was the best character. Just like in Luke Cage, the show was carried by Shades, Cottonmouth, and Mariah.

Yeah. I am withholding judgement on that until I reach the end of the season but through episode 10 it's Ward. Kind of a toss-up between the Dad and Gao after that. After that I'd say the sidekick is better than the sister.

I've always liked Iron Fist, but he's like Batman and a lot of other superheroes being translated for the movies and/or television, in that the casting of the lead is crucial. I just don't know what the hell they were thinking with the casting.

I finished the series last week. The Fight scenes do suck with Danny. What kinda got me was how "all over the map" the characters are. The first couple of episodes Colleen "the Martial artist female" didn't want to give Danny the time of day and then all of a sudden one episode and she has those googly eyes going on. Did I miss something??

For those that haven't seen the whole thing yet Harold, the Father is all over the place and making no sense and Ward and Joy just make no sense as well. Then the ending kinda sucked and again made no sense. It is about talking a character into Killing someone that the person I thought had some feelings for. Oh yea that is a great idea.....what??? You will understand when you see it.

I dislike that none of the flashback scenes tied Kun'Lun into the show. They could have at least showed maybe why Danny is doing stupid things or show some conflict in him to where yea he is training to control his emotions but it doesn't work. You know since that certainly didn't work at all when he was in New York.

Just my 10 cents